Stone Bridge High School Play Sparks Objections [Archive] - Broadlands Homeowners Association Forums

Skins fan

02-09-2005, 06:29 PM

I couldn't agree with you more Homer. We need to do
something about it. Black only represents us because
more people vote for him than the opposition. I am
completely amazed that Delgaudio still gets elected.

IMO the reason that Snow represents us now at the BOS
is because South Riding residents are more active and
vote in much greater numbers. I recall reading that 79%
of registered voters there turned out in the last election.

Seems like residents of Broadlands and Ashburn are less
involved. I know we are all busy but these representatives
have a major effect on our lives. All Black cares about is
cutting taxes (even if it hurts schools, roads etc)
abortion and homosexuality. I don't agree with his cut
taxes at all costs approach either.

We need to be more active in local politics and work to get
good people elected.

skins fan

quote:Originally posted by Homer Simpson

Black is an idiot and should be publicly stoned just like in the Bible he loves to tout. See my thread on all the junk that his budy Delgaudo is pulling. Truly sad that he represents Loudoun.

brim

02-09-2005, 07:43 PM

quote:Originally posted by neilz

So, if it wasn't explicitly shown, who's mind is in the gutter ??

That's the thing with these cretins...I think they think they're so weak-willed that the slightest glimpse of sexuality will send them into some depraved sexual frenzy. A lot of these people have deeply repressed sexual memories and perhaps it helps them cope with them by drawing such negative attention to them. I'm not sure if that is the case here, but it is with a good deal of these lunatics.

afgm

02-09-2005, 11:40 PM

I went to the school board meeting last night. I saw the video tape. I saw the fear in the eyes of the intolerant. Amazing. The students who put on the play that is, amazing kids. I totally support them, their director, the Stone Bridge staff, and Mr. Person's the principal of Stone Bridge.

You all have hit the nail on the head!!

Homer Simpson

02-10-2005, 07:09 AM

This is how clueless I am on county politics, Is Black our district rep? If so, he's got to go. When is the next election?

boomertsfx

02-10-2005, 08:31 AM

He's not gonna go... the county is mostly republican... four more years four more years! =)

Seriously, if parents are so offended and are that blind to reality, they should lock their kids in their room and never let them out.

latka

02-10-2005, 09:12 AM

It's no different than the not allowing mention of God or Christianity that goes on in some school systems. Unfortunatly there are alot of people who think they have a constitutional right not to be offended on both sides of the political spectrum.

lyo

Homer Simpson

02-10-2005, 09:39 AM

quote:Originally posted by latka

It's no different than the not allowing mention of God or Christianity that goes on in some school systems. Unfortunatly there are alot of people who think they have a constitutional right not to be offended on both sides of the political spectrum.

lyo

Ummm. Two points. They won the right back to place their little bricks and two, Homosexuals are real people, some who attend the school. It's the the so called christians who are the bad people here. They get there way and now it's open season on gays. So they CAN prosletize on public grounds and still try to censor content they objec too. It wont be too long before they try to ban Evolution Theory.

gammonbabe

02-10-2005, 12:53 PM

Maybe I should read all of the forum before posting ... I posted on this in another discussion. :)

I think that the uproar over "Offsides" is ridiculous. I wished more was done to promote tolerance in schools. How many teenagers commit suicide because they wrestle with their sexuality, because they are afraid of what their peers may say, because they fear the intolerance that is so common, especially in High School among students. Kids get taunted for wearing different clothes ... can you imagine the taunting that goes on for having a different sexual preference?

Dick Black and Mick Staton should keep their homophobic views to themselves. They are not elected to legislate sexuality, they are elected to use OUR tax money to provide US with the services WE need. It is not about what they want, it is about what we want. And I for one don't want the government in my bedroom, which is where the Dick Blacks of this world want to be.

I applaud Mr. Hochkeppel and Mr. Person for being tolerant enough to allow the play to be performed, and most of all I applaud Sabrina Audrey Jess for writing it.

Marianne

brim

02-10-2005, 01:10 PM

What ever happened to the separation of church and state anyhow?

sunnydog

02-10-2005, 01:21 PM

quote:Originally posted by brim

What ever happened to the separation of church and state anyhow?

limited public forum was created so no group could be discriminated against.

brim

02-10-2005, 01:47 PM

quote:Originally posted by sunnydog

limited public forum was created so no group could be discriminated against.

Well, that's sure working.

Azsweepay

02-10-2005, 02:50 PM

It seems that the problem here (like in a lot of politics) that the sane people have better things to do with their time then sweat about this stuff. The really bizzare thing is that legislation banning gay marriage (doesn't affect the average person) has a better chance of passing than bans on smoking in public (does affect the average person).

Gregg

afgm

02-10-2005, 04:15 PM

Here is the text of Del Black's Press Release on the subject. This was done by him, without seeing the play, talking to those involved. Or even calling his fellow church member, and School Board Chairman Andrews, for an opinion. He jumped right to the agenda, read below and make your own judgement on the truth he proclaimed to spread:

From: "Delegate Black" <mail@delegateblack.com>
Subject: Action Alert
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:33:44 -0500

The Issue:
Stone Bridge High School sponsored a play called Postcards from Paradise. During this play there is a scene where two male students kiss and then tell the audience that, You cant tell me that there isnt a little bit of me in every one of you.

What Can I Do?

Tell the Loudoun County School Board that as a taxpayer, you believe it is inappropriate to promote homosexuality in our public schools. Contact the School Board members immediately. The next School Board meeting is on Tuesday, February 8th. Forward this e-mail to other taxpayers in Loudoun County who don't believe schools funded by taxpayer money is the place to promote sexual lifestyles.

How Do I Contact Them?

Loudoun County School Board Members
102 North Street NW
Leesburg, VA 20176

schools@loudoun.k12.va.us

Chairman Andrews phone number: 703-729-7700

Speak at the School Board Meeting:

The public is always welcome to speak directly to the School Board members. Their next meeting is:

This Tuesday, February 8, 2005 at 6:30pm
at the Administrative Building
102 North St., NW
Leesburg, VA 20176

What Can I Say?

A sample letter is attached below. Feel free to write your own or you are welcome to use the one below.

Dear School Board Member,

I recently learned that Stone Bridge High School sponsored a play over the weekend called Postcards from Paradise. In the January school newsletter this play was billed as, a show you wont want to miss. Needless to say, I was upset to find out that the show our children were not supposed to miss was one where two male students engaged in a homosexual kiss onstage and then addressed the audience saying, You cant tell me that there isnt a little bit of me in every one of you.

The idea that our public school system is being used to promote a homosexual lifestyle is disturbing. When Christs name is banned in schools, and bricks with crosses on them are removed from Potomac Falls High School until a lawsuit forces them to be put back, it makes me feel that a double standard is being placed against people of faith.

We are continuously lectured on the idea that we need to keep God out of the classroom. Am I now to believe that the reason we need to keep God out is so that homosexual teachings can have free reign?

I want to know how this play and its contents came to be approved by the faculty at Stone Bridge High School. I want to know if you, as a School Board member were aware of this play, and if so, do you approve of it being supported by the public school system? Finally, I want to know what you are going to do to make sure this kind of thing does not happen again.

School is somewhere we expect our children to be safe, and that safety also includes making sure that the impressionable minds of students are not being encouraged to explorehomosexuality under the guise of tolerance.

Sincerely,

Name: ______________________________
Address: ______________________________
______________________________

Paid for and Authorized by Friends of Dick Black

afgm

02-10-2005, 04:19 PM

This was received by one of the students in response to a letter to Black asking why he felt entitled to issue an action alert about a play he hadn't seen. Following is the exact email alert sent from his office, with the To field removed.

>From: "Delegate Black" <mail@delegateblack.com>
>To: xxx
>Subject: Re: action alert
>Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:59:21 -0500
>
>Dear xxx:
>
>Thank you for your message regarding the controversial play. The
>kissing scene was simply done for shock value. They wanted
>attention and they got it. It brought attention to the content of
>the play and this has upset many parents. Many parents were upset
>because this was done with small children in the audience. Perhaps
>one day you will have children and you will understand how
>protective you might feel when your children are subjected to things
>that you disapprove of.
>
>The idea of tolerance is an interesting one because it isn't a one
>way street. Some of the very people who wrap themselves in the
>"tolerance" flag are the first to resort to name calling. What
>about being tolerant of those people who disagree with the
>homosexual lifestyle? Since the school has allowed one group to
>express views favoring homosexuality, will they have to give equal
>access to those who want to express views opposing the homosexual
>lifestyle? Delegate Black believes that publicly funded schools are
>simply not the place to debate this issue.
>

>The information that Delegate Black was relying on came from several
>parents who saw the play and were upset because of the content and
>because there were small children present in the audience at the
>time. In addition, School Board member Bob Ohneiser (Broad Run)
>attended the play himself and told Leesburg Today that "the kiss was
>clearly visible but was only a peck." On this information, he agreed
>to forward the letter to people he knew.
>
>Although we may have to agree to disagree on whether or not this is
>appropriate in our public schools, I appreciate you taking the time
>to contact our office. We may not see eye to eye on this issue, but
>I promise that we will always treat you with respect and be honest
>with our position on this issue.
>
>Warm regards,
>Callie Chaplow
>Aide

latka

02-10-2005, 06:56 PM

The problem is with the intolerance of all people of all types.....Christians, gays, fat, ugly. I could go on and on but remember if you want to silence those christian expect to have the same right back at you.

lyo

SK8R

02-10-2005, 08:16 PM

Interesting.
High school plays aren't what they used to be....
Now we have to have shock... just like tv, how nice...

I volunteer at SBHS in the main office and answer the phones.
Funny thing.... an elementary school teacher called me one Monday interested in taking her 2nd graders to a play given by the school.
I took the liberty in suggesting to her to go check out the schedules at the middle schools. I told her high school plays aren't what they used to be. I know what the plays are like at SBHS and at BR... they are not geared for 2nd graders. There is no My Fair lady or Wizard of Oz any more in high school. Everything is "edgy" now.
In my opinion, this recent play was over the top. And yes, it was clearly offensive for children and families attending the plays.
Think. Would you enjoy having your young child viewing this?

neilz

02-10-2005, 10:43 PM

quote:Originally posted by SK8R

Interesting.
High school plays aren't what they used to be....
Now we have to have shock... just like tv, how nice...

I volunteer at SBHS in the main office and answer the phones.
Funny thing.... an elementary school teacher called me one Monday interested in taking her 2nd graders to a play given by the school.
I took the liberty in suggesting to her to go check out the schedules at the middle schools. I told her high school plays aren't what they used to be. I know what the plays are like at SBHS and at BR... they are not geared for 2nd graders. There is no My Fair lady or Wizard of Oz any more in high school. Everything is "edgy" now.
In my opinion, this recent play was over the top. And yes, it was clearly offensive for children and families attending the plays.
Think. Would you enjoy having your young child viewing this?

I'm sorry ... but when there is an announcement that states that the content of the one-act play may be offensive to some (not sure if they said it was unsuitable for kids or not) and you still stay in your seats, who's fault is it ??

<rant on>
These are high school kids, this is stuff they are going through on a day to day basis. Why do people want to hide their heads in the sand, and not realize that 14, 15, 16, 17 and 18 year olds are talking about sex and sexuality; and that 'hooking up' doesn't mean that they're meeting their friends at the soda fountain for a Coke !!

<rant off>

Neil Z.
Resident since 1999

SK8R

02-11-2005, 07:54 AM

Maybe they should have mentioned it before the families paid for their tickets. These funds support the entire highschool. So now they have to leave the theater because of something that is offensive. a night out that they paid for??
This is PUBLIC high school funded by our tax dollars, not Arena Stage or even Shenandoah University.

It doesnt matter that it goes on at the high school every day... and yes, it does. That does not make it right. Most high school students do not act this way. Most high school students are not interested in this.

I am aware of the drama dept at the High School. Not all, but most of the kids are "goth" edgy, dark and depressed. The drama instructor, well, no further comments.....

neilz

02-11-2005, 10:08 AM

quote:Originally posted by SK8R

Maybe they should have mentioned it before the families paid for their tickets. These funds support the entire highschool. So now they have to leave the theater because of something that is offensive. a night out that they paid for??
This is PUBLIC high school funded by our tax dollars, not Arena Stage or even Shenandoah University.

It doesnt matter that it goes on at the high school every day... and yes, it does. That does not make it right. Most high school students do not act this way. Most high school students are not interested in this.

I am aware of the drama dept at the High School. Not all, but most of the kids are "goth" edgy, dark and depressed. The drama instructor, well, no further comments.....

This was ONE one-act play amongst many. They were told it may be offensive, and they could have left and asked for their money back. The play was not about Goths, the play was about a football player who discovers that he has doubts about his own sexuality. This goes on daily in the schools, but we don't talk about it, and we can't discuss it, and it doesn't exist.

Frankly ... I seriously doubt many adults know what high school students are interested in. This was one one-act play, in a bunch of one-act plays that were all written by students. From friends I've learned that the student writer is an excellent student, both academically and socially. Not a 'goth' ...

About public funding ... my funds go to support this school, as well as the state funded colleges of Virginia. I fully support this, my fund also go to support things I personally do not support ... such is the way of government.

But lets discourage students from discussions of anything that is or may be controversial or something that would make their parents squeemish. Lets teach them that we should follow like sheep and not question authority or our parents ideas. I question a society that will give their kids a new SUV to drive and a credit card, but does not want to hear about their problems with fitting in or their sexuality because it makes society uncomfortable.

Books and plays throughout history have pointed out social problems;
would you tell Dickens or Updike not to write books exposing the problems in their society ??

Neil Z.
Resident since 1999

afgm

02-11-2005, 10:37 AM

Maybe someone should do a play about Goth's to deal with their stereo types, struggles, and misunderstandings.

I am not sure how a conclusion can be made that Goth's are depressed. To me that shows either a lack of opportunties to really get to know a kid, or fear.

A former Senior Patrol Leader (SPL: elected position by fellow scouts and highest ranking boy in the troop) of my sons Boy Scout Troop is "goth". He's also an Eagle Scout. One of the most centered, and mature kids I know.

There are parallels here, fear sometimes get in the way of true acceptance or understanding.

quote:Originally posted by SK8R

I am aware of the drama dept at the High School. Not all, but most of the kids are "goth" edgy, dark and depressed. The drama instructor, well, no further comments.....

SK8R

02-11-2005, 12:02 PM

Okay....
The school play that was presented to the public. This was not an in class presentation to be viewed and discussed by peers.
(Great and wonderful there are goth kids out there that are outstanding citizens. Thrilling news.)

The point here is the play. Not what should be discussed in high school class rooms or books to be read or not read.
It is about the play that was viewed by people that came to the high school for an evening of family entertainment, and not to be asked to leave the theater if they might be offended.

neilz

02-11-2005, 12:08 PM

quote:Originally posted by SK8R

Okay....
The school play that was presented to the public. This was not an in class presentation to be viewed and discussed by peers.
(Great and wonderful there are goth kids out there that are outstanding citizens. Thrilling news.)

The point here is the play. Not what should be discussed in high school class rooms or books to be read or not read.
It is about the play that was viewed by people that came to the high school for an evening of family entertainment, and not to be asked to leave the theater if they might be offended.

This brings up an interesting question ... how was this student-written, student-performed set of one-act plays advertised ?? Were they advertised as 'family entertainment' ?? Many plays, such as "Our Town" are not 'family entertainment', yet they are performed in our schools.

Neil Z.
Resident since 1999

Skins fan

02-11-2005, 12:43 PM

There is not a prohibition on the mention of god in public schools.
Christianity and other religions are discussed in public schools.

The public schools are not allowed to preach religion - any religion.
That is for parents and churches to do.

quote:Originally posted by latka

It's no different than the not allowing mention of God or Christianity that goes on in some school systems. Unfortunatly there are alot of people who think they have a constitutional right not to be offended on both sides of the political spectrum.

lyo

Twriter

02-11-2005, 04:14 PM

quote:Originally posted by Skins fan

There is not a prohibition on the mention of god in public schools.
Christianity and other religions are discussed in public schools.

My oldest son is in 9th grade at Stone Bridge. As part of his history class they are covering some of the major religions. The discussion is not in depth, they are only spending a week or two on each religon covered. Unfortunately, the quality of the teaching materials is somewhat suspect. My son has discovered a number of errors in the material on Judaics and has checked with our rabbi to confirm them. He says that given the number of errors he's seen, he isn't too confident of the accuracy of the material on Hinduism, Buddhism, and so on.

He and my younger son (age 10) both saw "Offsides" and find nothing offensive or worrisome about it. They didn't find it important or interesting enough to even mention when I asked about their evening. It was only after "Offsides" became news that I was aware of the (faked) kiss. I asked the boys if they saw the kiss and they both said that there was no real kiss, but an implied kiss. To them the play was just entertainment, nothing more.

--- John B.

neilz

02-12-2005, 12:19 AM

quote:Originally posted by Skins fan

There is not a prohibition on the mention of god in public schools.
Christianity and other religions are discussed in public schools.

The public schools are not allowed to preach religion - any religion.
That is for parents and churches to do.

quote:Originally posted by latka

It's no different than the not allowing mention of God or Christianity that goes on in some school systems. Unfortunatly there are alot of people who think they have a constitutional right not to be offended on both sides of the political spectrum.

lyo

To use an oft-used truism:

As long as there are final exams, there will be prayer in schools !!

Neil Z.
Resident since 1999

latka

02-12-2005, 07:37 AM

The public schools have become a major battleground in the war on Christmas ("Lookout, Santa, incoming!") and, by extension, Christianity.Last year, a kindergartener at a school near Portland, Oregon was told he couldn’t bring cards with a religious message to a school Christmas party. When a teacher noticed that little Justin Cortez’s cards contained the dreaded J-word (Jesus), she confiscated the offending items and forwarded them to the principal who sent them to the superintendent. Thus was the school’s secularist early-warning system activated.
The New York City school system allows menorahs and Islamic symbols in holiday displays, but not nativity scenes. Christians thereby are excluded from inclusiveness, presumably in the name of sensitivity.
n 2002, the mother of a student in the Del Mar Union School District in San Diego was told she could no longer read a Christmas book to her child’s 4th-grade class. Also, at the Sage Canyon School, teachers were ordered to remove jewelry with a Christmas theme. First a flashing Santa pin, then a state church.
Same year, instructors at an elementary school in Sacramento were told not to use the word "Christmas" in the classroom or in written material. A la 1984, in public education, Christmas has become the un-holiday.
In Yonkers, New York, public school employees were ordered to purge holiday decorations with religious themes. Silent-Night sanitizing?
According to Rev. Jerry Falwell, a New Jersey middle school cancelled a field trip to attend a performance of Dickens’ A Christmas Carol. One supposes there was a fear the Ghost of Christmas Past would cause mass conversions – or worse.
When a school displays a modicum of common sense here, secularist vigilantes threaten dire consequences. Last year, the Elbert County Charter School in Elizabeth, Colorado had a holiday program that included such proselytizing anthems as "Jingle Bells." The ACLU and Anti-Defamation League threatened to sue unless the program was cleansed. A joint letter from the censors to the principal claimed, "Jewish students no longer feel safe or welcome" at the school. Islamist pogroms are going on across Europe, but in Colorado Jewish kids are threatened by jingle all the way.

These things may not be happening here in Ashburn yet, but it's just a matter of time.

http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=16091

lyo

Brooks5

02-12-2005, 12:06 PM

I'm with Black on this one. Kind of seems like a no-brainer to me.

SoxFan

02-12-2005, 05:39 PM

I have to agree Brooks. I don't think it was just the supposed kiss. I think the statements afterwards to the audience was a bit over the edge and not needed. Personally, I don't want my kids thinking that being homosexual is okay. I teach them not to be mean or hate people that claim to be homesexual. I don't care if they are friends, as some of mine are...but I don't want my kids believing its normal and a healthy lifestyle. I don't agree with it and don't want it forced upon my family in public school setting. Just as I wouldn't want hetrosexual situations forced on my kids in a public school setting. When it comes to tax supported entities, there has to be some neutral boundaries drawn. Is it okay to promote drugs because that's what kids are dealing with today? Same type of situation in my opinion.

boomertsfx

02-13-2005, 09:46 AM

It's not ok to promote drugs, but you can't keep your kids in a bubble either. Drugs and homosexuality are all things that are part of life. I guess it's ok for your kids to absorb all of the straight sex in the movies and tv and the objectifying of women?

I think it's good to make people think about things, and not just subject them to the status quo... It's how we grow as people.

SoxFan

02-14-2005, 12:07 AM

Actually I think I stated that I didn't want to sit through a play with hetrosexual activity going on.

No it's not okay with all the crap on TV and there are a lot of programs that my kids aren't allowed to watch. I also don't have them living in a bubble and have discussed all the issues facing kids today. Drugs, Sex, Violence, etc...

I still don't think a high school one act play is the place to deal with teenage homosexual issues. The great thing about America is that we can all have our own opinion and I'm just stating mine as the rest have.

OP_dude

02-14-2005, 07:52 AM

The students involved with this play have accomplished what they set out to do and everyone fell for it. Being typical high school students they didn't produce this play to promote the "Gay Agenda" they wrote it because they new it would stir up controversy. They just wanted to shock people. The final line in the play proves that. Basically saying to everyone in the audience that there is a little homosexuality in all of us. The only reason that line is there is to shock and anger. It's the same reason they get strange face piercing and dye their hair purple. That's what teens do. Have you all forgotten what it was like to be a teen?
People are reading way too much into this whole thing.

vacliff

02-14-2005, 08:08 AM

Op_dude-
You hit the nail right on the head! I extend kudos to the kids for their thought-provoking performance and exposing how narrowminded the "adults" and, especially, political leaders can be!

boomertsfx

02-14-2005, 08:29 AM

quote:Originally posted by OP_dude

The only reason that line is there is to shock and anger.

The only people it's going to shock and anger is the prudes, but I'm sure they knew that... Some high school play isn't going to make anyone turn gay or anything like that.. people need to chill =)

Azsweepay

02-14-2005, 02:45 PM

Actually, after reading about all of this, I find myself strangely wanting to sing show tunes...

Seriously, not so long ago, if this were a play about inter-racial couples, the public outcry would have been just as loud. Hopefully things will get better for this minority as well.

Gregg

boomertsfx

02-14-2005, 09:05 PM

not if the republicans have their way....

=)

Mearen

02-15-2005, 08:56 AM

quote:Originally posted by Azsweepay

Actually, after reading about all of this, I find myself strangely wanting to sing show tunes...

Seriously, not so long ago, if this were a play about inter-racial couples, the public outcry would have been just as loud. Hopefully things will get better for this minority as well.

Gregg

People don't choose their race.

neilz

02-15-2005, 09:21 AM

quote:Originally posted by Mearen

quote:Originally posted by Azsweepay

Actually, after reading about all of this, I find myself strangely wanting to sing show tunes...

Seriously, not so long ago, if this were a play about inter-racial couples, the public outcry would have been just as loud. Hopefully things will get better for this minority as well.

Gregg

People don't choose their race.

You're right, why would some choose to be part of a group that is vilified, spat upon, treated as an underclass, beat and killed for being who they are, not granted the same rights to live with someone they love.

Neil Z.
Resident since 1999

Azsweepay

02-15-2005, 09:25 AM

I could say that people don't choose their sexuality either, but that will open a debate that will never end. I am a strong believer that you can't really choose who you fall in love with and I would rather someone live a happy gay lifestyle that a miserable heterosexual one and ruin other's lives as well. I could see homosexuality as being a threat to society if we were in danger of being extinct, but in actually, we have the opposite problem.

Gregg

gammonbabe

02-16-2005, 09:42 AM

You work as a volunteer at the school ... and you take it upon yourself to discourage people that call about plays from going. Wonder if the school knows that.

The kids in the drama department are edgy? ALL TEENAGERS ARE EDGY. It is part of being a teenager. When I was a teenager, I was edgy. I was wearing plateaushoes and huge pants in orange and lime green. Mr. Hochkeppel is an awesome drama instructor, who cares for his kids and understands that drama does not mean political correctness.

This is high school. Not elementary school, not middle school, and most of all not church. School is supposed to teach children about many things, most of all it will help them on their way to being functional adults. That includes learning and being able to talk about sexuality and about different sexuality.

But the play was not about sexuality at all. It was about tolerance for people that are different. I think that some of the intolerant people that are now screaming about the play would be more tolerant as adults if they had grown up with it to begin with.

And before I hear about tolerance for christians ... I tolerate christians and christianity. Religion is a personal choice, like many things in life are personal choices. Would I write a horrified letter to the editor if I went to a schoolplay and it espoused christian values? Absolutely not. To me there is no one sided tolerance ... we either tolerate others lifestyle choices or we don't.

Marianne

gammonbabe

02-16-2005, 09:46 AM

quote:Originally posted by Brooks5

I'm with Black on this one. Kind of seems like a no-brainer to me.

Well I agree. Total no brainer, that would be Black.

gammonbabe

02-16-2005, 09:48 AM

quote:Originally posted by Mearen

quote:Originally posted by Azsweepay

Actually, after reading about all of this, I find myself strangely wanting to sing show tunes...

Seriously, not so long ago, if this were a play about inter-racial couples, the public outcry would have been just as loud. Hopefully things will get better for this minority as well.

Gregg

People don't choose their race.

People don't chose their sexuality either. That is such an offensive comment, makes me ill to read stuff like this from people who claim to be educated.

Marianne

latka

02-16-2005, 07:58 PM

Why is that an offensive statement? Is it insulting to think that some might choose to be gay?

lyo

neilz

02-16-2005, 11:34 PM

quote:Originally posted by latka

Why is that an offensive statement? Is it insulting to think that some might choose to be gay?

lyo

To rephrase what I said previously in this thread...

You're right, why wouldn't some choose to be part of a group that is vilified, spat upon, treated as an underclass, beat and killed for being who they are, not granted the same rights to live with someone they love.

Neil Z.
Resident since 1999

marielaveau

02-17-2005, 07:32 AM

Of you ask anyone who is gay (and I have had several gay friends) they will tell you without hesitation or any confusion, they did NOT choose their sexuality. In fact, until they learned to accept themselves, they lived in a constant state of inner termoil and delt with depression. Does that sound like anything anyone would "choose" to go through? How Fun!

latka

02-17-2005, 08:29 AM

I personally don't think you choose to be gay, but I also don't think it is offensive to think you might. We need to be tolerant of people who believe differently than we do ...right?

lyo

gammonbabe

02-17-2005, 08:51 AM

quote:Originally posted by latka

I personally don't think you choose to be gay, but I also don't think it is offensive to think you might. We need to be tolerant of people who believe differently than we do ...right?

lyo

There is one thing I am not tolerant of ... and that is intolerance. People have the right to spout their intolerance, that is freedom of speech. I have the right to tell them that I think they are intolerant hicks and to refuse to let their ignorant statements stand without challenge.

Marianne

latka

02-17-2005, 09:42 AM

Marianne, you are intolerant of others religious beliefs. Are you calling all Christians ignorant hicks?

lyo

neilz

02-17-2005, 09:49 AM

quote:Originally posted by latka

Marianne, you are intolerant of others religious beliefs. Are you calling all Christians ignorant hicks?

lyo

I think she's calling anyone who is intolerant ... Christians, Jews, Muslims ... ignorant.

Its just that you mostly hear this stuff from self-styled Christian fundamentalists.

Neil Z.
Resident since 1999

gammonbabe

02-17-2005, 10:29 AM

quote:Originally posted by latka

Marianne, you are intolerant of others religious beliefs. Are you calling all Christians ignorant hicks?

lyo

I am absolutely not intolerant of religious beliefs. I only call christians that use the bible to spout their anti gay propaganda ignorant hicks, just like I do the non-christians that spout the same crap. There are many many enlightened christians that understand that human sexuality is natural.

People should stop using religion to justify their personal biases.

Marianne

Brooks5

02-18-2005, 07:17 PM

It's always amusing to hear liberals spew about intolerance. Anyone who is anti-abortion and believes homosexual behavior is wrong is some kind of hateful intolerant "hick." Can't just disagree with our point of view. I guess that's what counts for "tolerance" in the (thankfully) ever-shrinking blue pockets of America.

gammonbabe

02-19-2005, 01:37 AM

quote:Originally posted by Brooks5

It's always amusing to hear liberals spew about intolerance. Anyone who is anti-abortion and believes homosexual behavior is wrong is some kind of hateful intolerant "hick." Can't just disagree with our point of view. I guess that's what counts for "tolerance" in the (thankfully) ever-shrinking blue pockets of America.

I'm sorry that my tolerance is not far reaching enough to tolerate intolerance. Btw, anti-abortion issues have nothing to do with tolerance. I may not like your viewpoint, but unless you blow up a clinic you have your right to that viewpoint. But spouting untruths and hate against one group of citizens is called intolerance. YOUR intolerance.

You use the word liberal like an insult, so O'Reilly. But that is just another aspect of the intolerance we see. I don't use the workd conservative as an insult, I call myself proudly a conservative ... just not a conservative in alignment with the new republican party.

But this is not about politics, it is about intolerance. And the kids that showed the play did reach their goal ... they did clearly show the intolerance of a small part of Loudoun county.

Brooks5

02-19-2005, 09:15 PM

See what I mean?

quote:Originally posted by gammonbabe

quote:Originally posted by Brooks5

It's always amusing to hear liberals spew about intolerance. Anyone who is anti-abortion and believes homosexual behavior is wrong is some kind of hateful intolerant "hick." Can't just disagree with our point of view. I guess that's what counts for "tolerance" in the (thankfully) ever-shrinking blue pockets of America.

I'm sorry that my tolerance is not far reaching enough to tolerate intolerance. Btw, anti-abortion issues have nothing to do with tolerance. I may not like your viewpoint, but unless you blow up a clinic you have your right to that viewpoint. But spouting untruths and hate against one group of citizens is called intolerance. YOUR intolerance.

You use the word liberal like an insult, so O'Reilly. But that is just another aspect of the intolerance we see. I don't use the workd conservative as an insult, I call myself proudly a conservative ... just not a conservative in alignment with the new republican party.

But this is not about politics, it is about intolerance. And the kids that showed the play did reach their goal ... they did clearly show the intolerance of a small part of Loudoun county.

latka

02-19-2005, 09:51 PM

Yeah.... you and Hilary Clinton. All the liberals are calling themselves conservatives latley.;)

gammonbabe

02-20-2005, 02:07 AM

And the "conservatives" spend money like there is no tomorrow ... just not on the things that are important, like education.

FFfred

12-11-2005, 10:54 PM

I'm sorry but I'm extremely offended of the notion that just because I'm Christian means I'm intolerant. If anything Christianity teaches us tolerance. Christ died for all of our sins. Not just white, black, or heterosexual. I had a gay friend in high school. Openly and stereotypically gay. I never, never, looked at him any differently than any other person I know. To me he was a very good friend....a very good and feminine friend:Dbut a friend none the less. Your children are not going to gay up overnight after watching a play of that stature. Why don't those of you that are *****ing about what you and your families saw at that play use it as a teaching aide for your children to explain about not only homo/heterosexuality but tolerance as well....because if you don't, they're just going to learn about it from someone else. And yes, you are born with your sexuality. No one chooses to be gay. No one chooses to be straight. God sets out the path(s) which you follow throughout your life. Who knows who's path you'll cross throughout your life?

afgm

12-12-2005, 10:10 AM

No worries Fred. The clown who promoted intolerance (and started the SBHS play controversy) was "fired" in the last election. The neighborhood is filled with reasonable people.

quote:Originally posted by FFfred

I'm sorry but I'm extremely offended of the notion that just because I'm Christian means I'm intolerant. If anything Christianity teaches us tolerance. Christ died for all of our sins. Not just white, black, or heterosexual. I had a gay friend in high school. Openly and stereotypically gay. I never, never, looked at him any differently than any other person I know. To me he was a very good friend....a very good and feminine friend:Dbut a friend none the less. Your children are not going to gay up overnight after watching a play of that stature. Why don't those of you that are *****ing about what you and your families saw at that play use it as a teaching aide for your children to explain about not only homo/heterosexuality but tolerance as well....because if you don't, they're just going to learn about it from someone else. And yes, you are born with your sexuality. No one chooses to be gay. No one chooses to be straight. God sets out the path(s) which you follow throughout your life. Who knows who's path you'll cross throughout your life?

T8erman

12-12-2005, 10:27 AM

quote:Originally posted by FFfred

God sets out the path(s) which you follow throughout your life. Who knows who's path you'll cross throughout your life?

I thought God gave us Free Will so that we may choose our own paths?

Dixie

12-12-2005, 02:42 PM

You go Girl/Guy FFfred, I couldn't have said it better :)

I swear why is it when you disagree with a liberal they go into "ATTACK MODE"

neilz

12-12-2005, 04:10 PM

Oh good grief ... :(

This topic should have been locked away and purged ... much like the creep who started the entire controversy.

Neil Z.
Resident since 1999

T8erman

12-12-2005, 04:45 PM

Dixie, if you were referring to my post, in what way, shape or form did I attack FFred's post?

And for what is worth (just because I can), his views on the Gay issue are VERY liberal, not that I care one bit either way.

quote:Originally posted by Dixie

You go Girl/Guy FFfred, I couldn't have said it better :)

I swear why is it when you disagree with a liberal they go into "ATTACK MODE"

Kermit

12-12-2005, 08:37 PM

quote:Originally posted by neilz

Oh good grief ... :(

This topic should have been locked away and purged ... much like the creep who started the entire controversy.

Neil Z.
Resident since 1999

Agreed. Although, now that Dick Black is out and David Poisson is in, I hope to see the School Board re-thinking their final decision on the matter of the play "Offsides" (which I performed in). It would be sad indeed if Stone Bridge and every other High School in Loudoun County had to continuously answer to the School Board every time there was the remote possibility of causing a controversy. This is supposed to be the 21st century. If we "kids" can understand the importance of such issues, must we wait for our elders to die out before expressing our views to others?

-K