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Broadlands Hospital

Discussion in 'Broadlands Community Issues' started by joy, Jun 18, 2002.

  1. mdcrim

    mdcrim Member

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    Darn, I was hoping to be the 3000th post...
     
  2. SK8R

    SK8R On the Clover Meadow

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    3001 is just as good
     
  3. Mr. Linux

    Mr. Linux Senior Member & Moderator Forum Staff

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    Back to topic please.
     
  4. lilpea

    lilpea Member

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    There is nothing to celebrate about today’s BoS vote.

    In fact this has sealed Loudoun’s fate of preventing a 2nd hospital for at least a decade. The tax payers are looking down the barrel of another lawsuit (on our tab), increased delay of additional healthcare providers and today’s vote condoned Inova’s continued monopoly, at the expense of all county residents.

    For those who support the Rt 50 location I offer this thought:
    Did it ever occur to any of you that (Inova will most likely build) a hospital at Rt 66 & Rt 15 as viable alternative, in PW County not in Loudoun County?

    Inova has never planned to build or seek a COPN on Rt 50, this was their tactic and not a reality of intention. Out of 52 weeks in 2008 (and based on LCSO alert reports), Route 50 and/or Route 15 was CLOSED 34 weeks for more than 2 hours at a time?
     
  5. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    Trader Joe,s!!!! Oh No!!!!! 18 wheel trucks up and down our streets making deliveries!!!! Lit parking lots all night long!!!! It will bring in undesirable shoppers from outside Broadlands!!!! What if it's open 24 hours!!!!
    It's not zoned for retail, you're not following the plan!!!
    Stop the insanity!!!!!!!
     
  6. Mr. Linux

    Mr. Linux Senior Member & Moderator Forum Staff

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    And don't forget the dumpsters, full of decomposing food waste! ;)
     
  7. wahoogeek

    wahoogeek New Member

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    eh? What's the basis for this statement? Is it based on some facts or your opinion?
     
  8. Ozgood

    Ozgood Not a space alien

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  9. jim

    jim New Member

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    Would HCA (or a subsidiary) be in its right to build a U-store it center?

    As a property owner, that could be a viable alternative for them: cheap to build, revenue producing, and easy to tear down when a better use comes along.

    -Jim
     
  10. mwb2218

    mwb2218 New Member

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    Congratulations INOVA. I don't think I despise any corporation as much as yours now.
    I'll be happy to drive down to Reston to go to HCA any day of the week.
    (it takes just as long to get there from my neck of the woods)
     
  11. T8erman

    T8erman Well-Known Member

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    I do not despise Inova for trying to protect its' so-called turf. I despise our county officials who voted against it and every thing positive it represented (road proffers, taxes, amenities for the community, oh, and a choice in healthcare IN Loudoun).

    Unfortunately, I cannot vote someone out who voted against this project as Miller was all for it.
     
  12. Mr. Linux

    Mr. Linux Senior Member & Moderator Forum Staff

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    Do some research as to how long the COPN process takes, as well as other formalities. Then take into consideration the public input process and the time to actually build the hospital. You'll see that 10 years is the correct approximation as to how long it would take for a new hospital to open its doors to the public. Inova knows that, so they have assured their monopoly in Loudoun County for another decade and we all get to enjoy how they can set cost of services, etc, with no comptetion.

    I can't wait until the next county elections; hopefully folks will realize just how bad this decision was and vote out the culprits who let big business outvoice the residents they were elected to represent.
     
  13. Chsalas

    Chsalas Active Member

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    Don't forget that HCA has just as many issues if not more, and they have an equally questionable track record across the country.


    I'd go back to Inova anytime, but hopefully I don't need to and hopefullyou dont need to go to HCA too!

    Good health to us both!
     
  14. Mr. Linux

    Mr. Linux Senior Member & Moderator Forum Staff

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    That piece of land costs way too much to simply put a 'U-Store' center on. Rest assured, if the hospital isn't built, we're going to have a huge office park in that location. That's the 'plan' that the folks against the hospital said they prefer in that location and is what is in the 'development plan' they hold so sacred states will be erected there.
     
  15. Skins fan

    Skins fan Tequila fan (100% agave)

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    The statement is correct and is based on the following:

    1. Inova does not have a COPN to build a hospital on Route 50.

    2. Inova does not have any beds to transfer to a Route 50 facility. There is an excess of beds in the Northern Virginia planning district. Because there is an excess, the state won't approve a COPN for new beds.

    3. There are already two competing hospitals which have letters on file with the state opposing a hospital on Route 50 (Prince William and Faquier). Boy, that sounds familiar.

    4. Route 50 won't support a hospital. Only 8% of the emergency calls in Loudoun come from the Rt. 50 corridor. The road network from the rest of the county down to the Rt. 50 location is terrible. Mostly 2 lane country roads. This means poor access for the residents in the rest of the county and a failed facility that will lose money due to a lack of sufficient patients.

    5. Inova doesn't really want to build a hospital on Route 50 any time soon. Randy Kelly (Inova Loudoun CEO) already admitted their zoning application for a "hospital" on 50 did not include any in-patient beds in "phase 1." Mostly administration and offices! When is phase 2 coming? Nobody knows for sure but it won't be in the next 10 years.

    The bottom line. Gurneys in hallways will continue to be counted as hospital beds by Inova Loudoun and healthcare costs will continue to rise due to lack of competition. No hospital will be built in the next 10 years down on Route 50.


     
  16. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    For this Board to remain consistent, it should turn down EVERY plan Inova submits to expand its Lansdowne campus until it secures a COPN and builds a hospital on Rte 50. By allowing expansion of Lansdowne, that will ENSURE no hospital on Rte 50 will receive a COPN. It's time to make Inova put its money where its mouth is.
    That means no Women/Children's Center and no Rte659 interchange proffer until a Rte 50 hospital is built.
    I absolutely GUARANTEE that the Board will not do this.
     
  17. lilpea

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    It is based on facts of the life cycle of the following:
    land acquisition/development, county/state ordinance/approval (eg COPN) and construction time.

    Let me reiterate, Loudoun County will NOT get a 2nd hospital for at least a decade. Spvr Miller called it, Randy Kelly is now stalling about Inova COPN application for Rt 50. Lets face it Loudoun residents have been duped by Inova (again).

    I sincerely hope that Lori Waters (chair of Loudoun's EDC) and others who voted against HCA's application fully understands the totality of this vote.

    They are now sending the following message to any business looking to move into Loudoun:

    Loudoun County is now CLOSED for business and the residents will pay for ALL the taxes.
    (BoS are already talking about increasing property taxes to make the budget short falls):

    sorry Boeing, Loudoun doesn't want your business, Airbus was here first
    sorry SAIC, Loudoun doesnt want you business, Orbital was here first
    ...and the biggest sorry Kincora, Loudoun is closed for business tax revenue.
     
  18. lilpea

    lilpea Member

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    Of course not our BoS has already proven they are duplict. Lori Waters should be removed as the Chair of the EDC and should be further investigated, based on Inova recent annoucement of road improvements in her district. Lets face it Inova B O U G H T her vote.
     
  19. Mr Rogers

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    I hope that you would differ from what you suggest that the "Board" (Loudoun, not Broadlands) should do. I would think that you would support Inova's plans to expand, based on your previous arguments for the need for more beds in this area.
     
  20. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    Yes, we need more beds. I support Inova expanding. I also supported the competition and the increase in services BRMC would bring. But that option has been eliminated.

    Inova owns property on Rte 50.
    Inova has the BoS Special Exception to build a hospital there.
    With the BRMC vote, the county has said it wants the next hospital on Rte 50.
    Inova has said that they will apply for a COPN for a Rte 50 hospital the day after HCA says they will not move to Rte 50.
    HCA has publically said they will not move to Rte 50.
    THAT'S where INOVA needs to expand.

    So, I am now supporting what the Bos AND Inova have said they wanted and what they said they would do....build a hospital on Rte 50.
    Why should the BoS approve expansion of Lansdowne, when it would keep beds away from the underserved areas?
    Why should the BoS approve expansion at Lansdowne when that would all but assure Inova will not get a COPN on Rte 50?
    It's time to make Inova live up to their promise to the county.

    And I am absolutely confident this will never happen.
     

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