Broadlands Hospital

It is clear to everyone who frequents these forums that your question is, of course, rhetorical...

 

Oh. If it was in the WP, then it MUST be true.
I sense another $1000 bet coming on.
My comment is based on years of dealing with Van Metre, many other meetings where road issues have been discussed, many county meetings about roads, etc.
But I'm sure everything I have seen is wrong, and this one paragraph blurb in the WP is correct.

 

SHHHHHHH!!! Dont let anyone know! It'll ruin the forums!

 

Great quote from Mark Booth in the Ashburn Connection today opposing the hospital:
"The BRMC will add traffic, noise and light pollution to our neighborhoods severely affecting our quality of life while endangering our children who play on our roads."

Um, maybe he didn't mean for it to sound like this...but what responsible parent lets their children play on our roads? Broadlands Blvd is already a fairly busy, four lane road that kids don't "play on." No one plays on Claiborne or DeMott or even Chickacoan anymore because of increased traffic. (I think kids playing in courts and on dead end streets will not be affected by the hospital).

I don't see the BRMC suddenly changing anything in this respect. As far as dangers on the roads, I would cite the Moms in minivans screaming their way down DeMott to St. Theresa's as a bigger worry for kids' safety. Claiborne is already a drag strip for some.

I think added noise and traffic is a legitimate concern for those opposed to the hospital (though I think Mr. Booth "severely" overstates the affects). My two questions, however:

1. How much incremental traffic and noise will BRMC add to the community versus another commercial space coming in?

2. Any large commercial space coming into this space (SOMETHING commercial WILL be in that space sooner or later) will cause increases in traffic, noise and light pollution. IF BRMC is rejected, will those opposed to BRMC fight the new commercial buildings as fiercely as they are fighting the hospital?

 

The worst "light pollution" would come from a "by-right" office park. The plans showed the entire site essentially clearcut with acres of lit parking lots right up to Broadlands Blvd.

At one of the public hearings last time around, a resident spoke in front of a packed auditorium that they let their kids play in Broadlands Blvd so they don't want the hospital and the traffic it would bring. Unbelievable!

 

For people who really are curious about noise, traffic, light pollution, go to Loudoun hospital or Reston, etc...See and hear for yourself. Base your opinion on experience vs. hearsay.

Just a suggestion....

 

I once took a nap in the Loudoun hospital parking lot waiting for someone to be discharged.

My wife use to work in the medical professional bldg next to Reston hospital and she would often take naps in her car during lunch.

 

Ah, but why let reality destroy the myth!

 

If an office park is built, prudent owners will build "Green" and less light will be used. Only emergency lighting will be required to be on at night.

 

Here is what is wrong with the whole hospital LAND USE argument. Folks this is only PHASE 1!!! Cliff and his gang are playing games. NO helicopter today but what about TOMORROW????? Building hospital way back on the site, but what about TOMORROW?????? Have the hospital show you the entire site plan with ALL FUTURE BUILDINGS which are much closer to BROADLANDS BLVD????? THey even have a extremely large future site right on the corner of broadlands BLVD they don't even talk about. hmmmmm

This whole hospital and Cliff's biased and selective statements are not the whole truth. They are playing smoke in mirrors. There is not just the first hospital building, way back on the site, that is just phase one to appease the masses. Look at the entire future build out and the potential for a helicopter later. As long as there is a hospital on that site there will always be the potential for a helicopter. As along as there is unbuilt land along broadlands blvd there will be future buildings for doctors offices. The site will be an eternal construction site as long as there is one piece of vacant land. The TRUTH lies in their SECRET future build out site plan that the public will never see until they need to.

The hospital has carefully orchestrated what they want the public to see in the beginning. It could end up far worse then any office project. At least you know what you are getting at final build out. The hospital site will grow and be under construction for far longer then that initial building. I have seen the original site plan that they would not give me with many of the future buildings that will never be seen by the public during this intial approval. ANd the very large tract of land on that site that is called future use. hmmmmm This is the greatest spin job I have ever seen in this county.

Wrong land use for this type of use. Did not this BOS run on land use policy??????? Of course the new BOS are already fighting each other quite a bit behind the scenes., posturing for their own individual agendas and power plays. Looks like the honeymoon is over with this new BOS. I don't know what is happening in the Broadlands but you all seem to have all kinds of wars going on there.

 

Concrete, if I remember correctly, the parking lot need to be lighted during the night (for safety reasons) and emergency lighting is only for inside the building. But, if the owners would leave the trees next to broadlands blvd this may help the home owners who's yards would face the hospital be shielded from the light.

 

Cliff, Do you know the entire plan for the Hospital? What is the total square footage for office space, parking, (Helipad, for Lee)? Also, what mount of foliage will remain?

Isn't Broadlands Blvd a dead end road currently? Did they state what part of the road they played on? It seems to me a dead end road would be perfect for a remote control car, plane, etc. I can't remember if it is flat at the top, but roller hockey would be fine also. The list could go on, but I'll stop.

Enjoy!

 

Lansdowne Nurse Tapped For Nat'l Award


Yep all that awful care at INOVA, that is why their nurses win national wars and HCA nurses come out from California to complain and protest HCA!!! Hmmmm

Personally both hospitals would and have excellent care. It is about the medical professionals and doctors and nurses not the hospital. AS I said before those health care professionals can change hospitals in a split second.

The hospital wars are a land issue not health care!!!!!

I wonder what HCA will do if they get their approval and then construction is stopped by the courts for many years

http://www.leesburg2day.com/articles/2008/05/23/loudoun_business/biz103pnurse052308.txt

 

Lee, it sounds like the Anti-hospital people, YOU especially will say anything whether it me truth, fear-mongering or even outright made up stuff to prevent the HCA hospital. NOT "Cliff and his gang"

 

Lee-
Back at your old nonsense.
Yes, we know...in your world, there are no regulations, no county guidelines, no county controls, no zoning laws....HCA can build as many 80 story buildings as they want. Why? Because Lee says they can!!!! Your display of ignorance is, once again, astounding.
I have also been on the record as SUPPORTING a helipad. I think it's dumb to build a hospital without one.

HCA also recently received the coveted Magnate Nursing Award. But you are trying to spin it's only Inova nurses?

Also, the "union reps" that came out and were asked if BRMC was approved, would they try to unionize them. Their answer? "Absolutely!"

Thunderchild-
Van Metre says they will finish Broadlands Blvd to Belmont Ridge this year.
I don't know the exact numbers t your questions, but if you want to see all the plans, let me know. They show their initial planned development, second phase of development, and the "future" area that Lee raves about.

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Sorry Cliff about bringing this up again, but there is more going on then I care to discuss here.

All I say is for HCA to show the entire site plan with their final build out all the potential buildings including the outlot on the corner. Not just what they are building now. All major developments (One Loudoun for example) show the entire build out in their renderings even if they are just place holders so the public can really see what can happen to that site. HCA does not want to do that. I have emails from them saying they would send this information to me a while back and then absolutely no response to my emails. hmmm I can post the emails here if any care to see.

I just believe the public especially adjoining neighbors should see the entire potential build out. They have that site plan or close to it because I saw it. I doubt they will include it with their initial submittal because it might scare everyone and be possibly even worse then the office buildings. HCA is playing the smoke and mirror game appeasing everyone with their first building of many placing it far back on the lot and no initial helipad.

They only show the first building of many in their renderings.

Many developers do this. Many times building the model home park in a way it looks beautiful with no homes around it, then when sold out the builders build the adjoining homes. It is done to sell in the best of light.

I can see the insider meetings with their architects. """"HCA telling then only to draw for public view what we are going to build now and don't show the entire build out because that will scare the public. Lets just get our claws into the property and then we can slowly do what we really want. Nobody ever stops a existing hospital from expanding once the initial hospital is built. Then we can start to build those new buildings closer and closer to the residential across broadlands.""""" I have seen first hand meetings like that with other developers. I have no idea what is going on here first hand but I did see a conceptual of the entire site which now does not seem available. hmmmm

All I say is HCA should show the community a conceptual plan of the entire site including the out lot on the corner of all the potential buildings so the public and the BOS can make a decision based on the big picture, not just this initial submittal.

OK enough for now unless more info stirs the pot.

BTW T8 I am not anti hospital it is a incorrect land use problem. What is scary our BOS most likely pass this and then destroy the Kincora property on 28 and 7 and not even give Kincora so far any direction as to what they think should be built there except for that space alien Andrea McGimsey who thinks gloucester should be built by the state possibly and the prime Kincora piece should be built by right as flex industrial and data centers which means no proffers or roads that could help waxpool at least slightly. Yep that is going to bring in big business tax dollars and proffers and roads. How did that woman get elected??????

Oh well if you don't change land use for Kincora then it should not change for HCA. Further Kincora has done complete renderings of the entire site. How come HCA is chicken to have some done or if they have them show them to the public.

That is it for the weekend and everyone have a great memorial day weekend

 

Lee-
Contrary to your misinformation, during the last go-around HCA was very upfront in showing their initial build, planned second build, and where any final build will be.
They did this at the county meetings as well as HOA and community meetings. They have done EXACTLY what you think they should do. You know that to be true, because I showed you the plans. These are the same plans they showed everybody.

You cite the fact that they are ignoring you as an indication of "hiding something." Quite frankly, given your discussions about this issue here and elsewhere, I would be shocked if they gave you the time of day on anything.

 

Here is the Hospital site plan.

http://connectionnewspapers.com/photoview.asp?id=191489

First it is not way in the back corner.

It is very massive compared to the school building in the picture. There are two proposed medical buildings one is shown in orange to the left of the main hospital. The other not in orange but in front of the hospital hard to see, is that on purpose because it is much closer to broadlands blvd.

Also hard to see are two proposed parking garages right in the very front in the parking lot right up against the buffer. at broadlands blvd.

The corner of belmont and broadlands blvd has nothing but I did see a site plan that said proposed future development, but it is not on this plan.

First the tall main hospital is not in the back of the site like the school building it is just alomost dead center and back. One of the tall proposed medical buildings is front of the hospital brings some of the future development closer to broadlands blvd as I have always said they would. Also the closest to Broadlandlands blvd and up against the buffer are two proposed parking garages which are never pretty to look at.

If I was the hospital I would try to get all the tallest buildings up against the greenway like the school building, they certainly are not that way right now. Second I would get those parking garages back there also somehow and put one one level below grade so you would have only one level above grade. Better yet move the two proposed medical buildings back up against the greenway and put the parking garages below the buildings below grade and that way during bad weather you can access the buildings without going outside. But the main hospital needs to move further to the greenway like the school building right now it is just back of center. The tall main hospital building I assume is the yellow x looking thing. I also assume the orange is proposed. Like I said the tall main hospital is almost dead center or just behind dead center certainly not in the back part of the site like the school building.