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Air Soft guns

Discussion in 'Broadlands Community Issues' started by olive, May 23, 2011.

  1. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    So the fact some people speed - we should have laws that make driving a car illegal? Because some people have demonstrated they can't handle the self-responsibility... we should make laws that totally take away the potential for that issue?

    It's called 'over-reacting' and just because it's a county ordinance doesn't make it the right thing.

    A kid aiming to harm another kid intentionally should be dealt with. That doesn't mean we should outlaw the means they used. I'm amazed we haven't outlawed the use of baseball bats outside of playingfields!! I mean, at times people have made the improper choice to use bats to harm others... so lets ban bats!

    A person is just as likely to hurt themselves with such a toy on a farm then they are at hurting someone else in a neighborhood. Because the person most likely to get hurt with such a toy is someone standing close by and getting hit by a ricochet - which has nothing to do with the overall surroundings.

    We already have laws about destruction of property... and assault. We don't need additional laws that try to ban means someone COULD do either of those things.

    Far more damage to property and person injury will happen due to things like balls, bikes, and cars then irresponsible adults or children with air powered toys or guns.

    There there were incidents when kids were smashing pumpkins and mailboxes... so lets ban bats too in residential areas!
     
  2. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    Here's a simple way to put it.

    Stop trying to use legislation and law enforcement to teach discipline and responsibility.
     
  3. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    Funny - such thoughts don't align with your previous posts...
     
  4. lilpea

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    Just for clarification;

    So folks consider calling the police about firing a bb-gun wrong? If so, what happens if the discharge of a bb-gun damages personal property, is it then considered appropriate to call the police?

    A few years ago 2 kids discharged a bb-gun and shot out one of our windows and it cost >$300 to replace. Our insurance company required us to call the police and provide them with the police report # when we filed our claim.
     
  5. Capricorn1964

    Capricorn1964 Well-Known Member

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    Like I said...it DEPENDS on what the situation is. Its not a "one size fit all" mentality here. Just because someone states one thing for one situation DOESN'T mean its gonna be the SAME for all situations!
     
  6. Rhaegar

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    Since I threw my own share of fuel on this fire, I will say that I personally was prompted to comment by a comment that shooting a bird would cause someone to call the cops. I finished that conversation though and moved on.
     
  7. MadCat07

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    Here's the problem : I think it's irresponsible to give one of these to a kid to roam the neighborhood or shoot off the deck. Because of that, I am hardly going to trust the person who provides this to a kid in that environment to teach the proper discipline and responsibility.
     
  8. KTdid

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    When I called the non-emergency desk and asked if a pellet gun is permissible, she said it is as long as it isn't discharged and asked me why. At that point she said we'll have to dispatch a deputy. Neither parent was home and didn't return home until after dark.
     
  9. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    Here's the problem - you're taking your perspective and trying to force others to live by your standards.

    That's why I said 'live and let live' instead of trying to make others conform.

    Instead of trying to legislate parenting - why can't we let that other family be unless they are actually causing a true significant impact on you?
     
  10. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    I consider the law itself wrong and overreacting. The conversation though I think is more about the eagerness of some to involve law enforcement.

    Fireworks are illegal too - but do we really need to call the cops if we just hear some fireworks?

    Sure - and we have laws about destruction of property already. If the damage was caused by a baseball instead of a bb gun, would you be inclined to think baseballs should be illegal simply because someone threw a baseball through your window? or merely because it was POSSIBLE that it might happen?
     
  11. T8erman

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    Then let's take away bikes, skateboards and most every other mode of kid-powered transportation. I see way too many not checking for traffic, darting out into the road. They also leave them outside where they can be stolen. Let's take away sports balls as they are often chased into the road without "being responsible".

    You seem quick to label all "kids" as immature when this was an EXTREMELY isolated incident.
     
  12. Capricorn1964

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    Try telling that to a police officer who is charged with enforcing the laws on the books. We aren't the ones who developed the laws/standards. Talk to your legislators who are the ones who developed the laws against shooting guns in residential areas. These laws were developed probably with the intent of maintaining safety of people in residential areas in mind. If you want to know why they made these laws? I suggest that these legislators be asked that question. I can understand why they made these laws because of what transpired in the past that prompted them to make the laws.
     
  13. Capricorn1964

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    We aren't talking about skateboards or other modes of kid-powered transportation here. We are talking about guns here. Shooting projectiles is a lot more dangerous than riding a skateboard. Once that projectile from a gun is in motion, its going to be impossible, I would think, to avoid it.
     
  14. T8erman

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    Based on what I have read the last several pages, it is not about guns any longer, it is about responsibilty, maturity and parenting.
     
  15. T8erman

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    Ummm let's see... If we are being specific, how many people have you heard about that have died or were seriously injured from being shot by a BB gun?

    Skateboarding...

    Yeah, right! Wanna make any other insightful comments on this particular subject?
     
  16. Mr. Linux

    Mr. Linux Senior Member & Moderator Forum Staff

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    So what about your diatribe a few months ago when kids were throwing eggs at some cars and you were going to 'get them arrested', take them to court, sue the kids, sue their parents and make an example of them? Once that egg is in the air, I would think it's going to be impossible for the parked car to avoid it. Let's ban all eggs and sue the parents!

    I love how you make huge, general statements, and once you're called on it, you start to slowly narrow your scope as you realize just how extreme you are...
     
  17. KTdid

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    You ask a very valid question. BB/Air pellet guns were not ALWAYS considered weapons. Yet NOW they meet the criteria to be included under the firearms and weapons ordinance - not snowballs, not pebbles, not paintballs, bats, nor water balloons, etc. Hmmmm.
     
  18. Mr. Linux

    Mr. Linux Senior Member & Moderator Forum Staff

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    BUT, you can now be charged with 'assault' if you use any of those objects and 'hit' someone...
     
  19. KTdid

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    You have to prove intent.
     
  20. Capricorn1964

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    KTdid....this raises a good point here...Why did the legislature ban guns but NOT pebbles, bats, or water balloons....I think its because guns have the potential to do more damage and can be used against police (just a thought here). Perhaps that could be it? I would think someone would have to ask those who crafted the laws on the books about why BB-guns but not other items? Hmmmm indeed.
     

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