Discussion in 'Broadlands Community Issues' started by niceguy1229, Dec 22, 2006.
Holy emoticon overload, batman.
Not sure it would stop all people (rules oriented people would obey more)...BUT if they don't post a sign, then you can't expect people to stop.
How do people who aren't on this forum know that it is not allowed?
And if they really want people to stop, they need to create some kind of barrier. The present situation leads me to believe they really don't care about stopping the sledding. I'm okay with that
I guess it's asking too much for people to have just a little bit of common sense.
"Hmmm.... big hill.... four lanes of traffic at the bottom of the big hill.... perhaps not the best place to go sledding."
We've been down to Manassas by the battlefield. Plenty of great hills. Safe for sledding. Family time for all of us together. Works for me.
I see both sides, I do. I have been there at least a half dozen times this winter with no problems...and just a whole lotta innocent fun going on.
I know, I know...until one kid goes into traffic and gets hurt. I get that.
Why not place a sign there if you REALLY want people not to sled there? Seems a logical idea, just like they do at shopping centers (no biking, no skateboards).
I see your point too but if we put signs everywhere they needed to be then there would be no room for us!
Maybe we can get a corporate sponsor to pay for the sign
Or maybe a corporate sponsor for a safe snow hill. The Sunoco Snow Hill.
They did ... according to another thread, the teenaged sledders tore them down. That's when VM called the sheriff.
FWIW ... last year it was mentioned in the newsletter a few times, perhaps it didn't make it this year.
Being a resident in this community for several years I have walked by, driven by, biked by, AND been on top of that hill. I've seen many children sled down this hill. They're happy. Most parents in this community would agree, they're happy when their children are happy. Children would be unhappy to havea this hill taken away from them. Most parents would also. Four lanes of traffic. Has anyone suggested the idea of putting a fence closer to the road enabling children to go flying out into the street? There is also about 30 or more feet of grass at the bottom of the hill, so I really don't think children flying out into the street should be a main concern. If they hit the fence, so what. They're sledding at their own risk. Even if a child was flying out into the street it would be the drivers own damn fault if they hit him/her. "Oh my god, you're crazy. The drivers in our area are awful. What happens if they're on their cell phones? What if they're changing the DVD, or the stereo?" That's crazy.
How do you figure?
I didnt mean for that to seem bad. But honestly, if an event like this actually happened, I would put the driver at fault, not the sledder.
Do you truly believe it would be the driver's fault?!?! Hope you are not a lawyer or in law school!
Because we all know it's Bush's fault.
You said it before I could. Thanks! How could it be the driver's fault if a kid comes crashing down a hill and into oncoming traffic. In that case, it is the child's and PARENT'S fault.
Silence, I agree a sign would not be a bad idea in this case. Still, it irks part of me that our community would have to tell people not to trespass on property that is not theirs. While I support your call for a sign in this limited case, people should have enough sense not to trespass and should be prosecuted if they are caught doing it.
While this is an extreme example, it helps prove a point: I don't have a sign on my house telling kids that they can't slde on my roof. Should I? For one, I hope it does not come to that! If so, I want to have a sign on my car that says "Don't let your kid sled into this machine."
I am just tired of the attitude that it is society's problem to prevent someone from doing something stupid and hurting themselves and furthermore when such does happen, pointing the blame anywhere but back at themselves. If you want to take risks and end up killing yourself, well that is tragic but it is your fault. If you are a parent and allow the same for your child, still tragic and still your fault. Furthermore if your act caused damage to a non-participating bystander who was doing nothing wrong then you are responsible for that person's damage as well. Not that I am opposed to taking risks and having fun, but at least take responsibility for when something does happen.
WAIT A SECOND??? do i see people agreeing with other people here?!?!?!
btw gryphon--i almost fell out of my chair with the "sled off my roof" comment. well put. but just in case...you might want to think about getting that sign.
As an exterior modification to your house, don't forget to get approval (and I wouldn't count on using sand bags to weigh it down)
I think the difference is that it is obvious that your house is your private property, but we DO have lots of HOA land around here (playgrounds, etc.) where we are all free to go. I'm not sure since I don't really go by there very often, but I suspect it could be easy for one to assume that hill is also HOA property. Unlike your roof or my yard inside my fence, it is not as obvious that the hill is private property.
Sharse, that was my point. After seeing dozens of kids on that hill after prior snowfalls, I had no idea that it was private property. I kind of assumed it was just the community sledding hill. Everyone was having innocent fun.
Agree on personal responsibility and private property rights. A simple permanent sign would simply make it very clear for everyone, that's all.
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