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Broadlands Hospital Approved!

Discussion in 'Broadlands Community Issues' started by T8erman, Jan 29, 2004.

  1. afgm

    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

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    OK, so if you are so concerned about the impact on LHI because of competition, lets consider your logic.

    If you have a minor injury don't go to the LHI ER, "or you get what you deserve" a five hour wait.

    On the other hand, every time I hear of a a serious injury they fly them out of LHI, and send them to Fairfax. Humm, what's best for the residents and patients?

    What can LHI handle, if they can handle less sever emergencies, and they can't handle the more sever emergencies? Apparently the only thing they can handle with any competency is a a huge PR effort to try and save their monopoly.
     
  2. chris

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    T8: I'm sorry to hear that your son was hurt. I hope that it wasn't anything too serious and that he feels better soon.
     
  3. tyger31

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    Amen SK8R! You absolutely hit the nail on the head about parents running to the ER for non-emergencies!!! I totally agree with you - I, too, am not against another hospital in Loudoun - I just don't think it belongs in a planned community. I personally don't like what is happening to Loudoun County - and I'm counting the days until I can retire and get the heck out! In the meantime - I have to grin and bear it.
     
  4. Mearen

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    Fixing a broken existing situation doesn't warrant adding a new broken situation. Sorry but whatever problems the existing hospital has just doesn't justify putting another hospital where it doesn't belong.
     
  5. afgm

    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

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    It is simple, competition fixes it. People/patients have choices, and competing services will fight to get those people/patients. Both organizations will be better for it.

     
  6. afgm

    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

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    Jeez Chris, are you feeling guilty? Need to repent by throwing around some half-hearted compassion? I expected more from you. You know, "steel yourself for the next "snipe"" as you say. I thought you liked the confrontation. This type of response, will not feed your ego requirement. :)

     
  7. chris

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    No -- absolutely no guilty feelings here. I've always spoken my mind, and I have genuine compassion for others. As adults in this forum, we should be able to make comments based on our perspectives while also offering sincere well wishes for injured children. I don't see how those possibly could be in conflict. If they do, please enlighten me, afgm.

    Additionally, I do not believe what GCyr and VACLIFF allege -- that your opinion does not count unless you serve on the Broadlands HOA. Since you don't even live in the Broadlands, it seems like you would take affront to that.
     
  8. afgm

    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

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    Chris, people can agree or disagree with me. I do think by having opinions express from outside the Broadland's community, it allow for a more global discussion. Otherwise, everything can be considered perocial. I would certainly hope large decisions like hospitals, rec centers, or local politics are being considered beyond the relatively small confines of Broadlands.

    For that matter, I would not be surprised to find out others on this board are "closet" non-broadland residents. They just don't feel like disclosing it.

    By the way, neither VACLIFF or GCyr have ever made me feel like my opinion is not considered in these debates. I have a hard time understanding why you do.
     
  9. GCyr

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    Chris,

    The only one alleging anything in these forums is you. You've accuse me of things I've never said, written, or alleged. Do you have a reading disorder or just a disconnect between the actual words and what you think the words say? No matter what I say, you twist the meaning to suit yourself.

    Don't you have any original content to contribute to these forum instead of your vile?


     
  10. Donna

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    I stopped posting for some of the reasons mentioned above, but I have to clarify a few things. First, NO ONE has ever said that Loudoun county does not need another hospital and this comprehensive plan allows for 3 hospitals and 5 additional health care facilities. Wait times in ERs is a NATIONAL problem,because of the above reason stated: people running there for non emergencies and people running there that know they can not be turned away because of their inability to pay. Believe it or not the other hospitals in this area ALSO have long wait times, it just is a fact of life. That is why they have a triage nurse, someone who identifies who needs immediate care and who can wait, be thankful your child wasn't one that needed to be seen immediately. The ER wait time at LHC has significantly lessened, this can be proved by LHC's census. Also with the competition in healthcare being a good thing, for those of you that think it is, please consider this: If you have 2 competiting hospitals they are competing for the SAME patient base and are competing for the SAME physician pool. What does this mean...it means that neither hospital will be able to expand services that are needed because neither hospital will have a census that proves additional or different services are needed. What does that mean...it means that if one hospital (regardless of which one) wants to add new services to provide to their community, they can't because the patitnt load will not justify the need. Please remember NO ONE has ever said an additional hospital is not needed, all thats been said is THIS LOCATION doesnt make sense.
     
  11. coopstar

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    Since the property was not zoned for a Psychiatric Ward, HCA is asking the Board of Supervisors (BoS) to grant them a "Special Exception." These approvals are subject to the discretion</u> of the BoS. If the BoS doesn't allow the land's planned and intended use to be altered, HCA has NO legal guarantee to build. The Special Exception process, in fact, allows the BoS to simply say no to the proposal.
     
  12. coopstar

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    You offer TerraBrook's marketing plan</u> as FACT of how the land will be over developed if the Psychiatric Ward is not approved. Whoever purchases the property will ultimately develop it according to their needs and requirements based on an engineering study and architectual design, not Terrabrook's marketing plan</u>. So it's not possible to predict how much or how little "green space" would be retained. I would cite Reston Hospital, which is owned by HCA, as a concrete example of what to expect if HCA develops the property. Basically your FACT equates to a drawing that was created "For Illustrative Purposes Only."
     
  13. afgm

    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

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    Donna,

    The reason you should stop posting is because of your conflict of interest. At the least, please include a disclaimer on your employer's positions when posting. By the way, you never answered my comments about the Washington Post cover-up. ( http://hoa.broadlands.org/forum34/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=641&whichpage=11 see afgm post mid page for details)

    And to clarify a few other things, early on, your views were that a hospital wasn't needed. This is documented in your website and from earlier posts on this site. I guess you change views based upon public relations tactics, similiar to the way, the organization who gives you a pay check does.

    Oh, and so I don't get hit by the same lame response:

    DISCLAIMER, I am a resident of Ashburn Farm, living as close to the hospital location as some that are from Broadlands.

     
  14. coopstar

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    Hospital incinerators are used, for the lack of a better term, for the disposal of "leftover parts" such as amputations, tumors, cancerous growths, appendixes, etc. You state AS FACT</u> that this hospital will not dispose of this bio-hazardous material in an on-site incinerator. How then will they dispose of this bio-hazardous material? By regularly hauling it through our neighborhood?
     
  15. Donna

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    AFGM, It has been publically stated on more than one occassion and by more than just me that I NOW work for LHC, but my views are my own and those homeowners I represent. I don't seem to have to put in a disclaimer each time because you do that for me. This is the very reason people don't want to post here. I will not defend what I do, nor the feelings and opinions I express. Talk about spin...cover up...have we now made this issue into something more than it is...a difference of opinion. Also AFGM, last time I looked this forum was for BROADLANDS residents.;)
     
  16. afgm

    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

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    Donna,

    Interesting, do I detect something in your response associated with this rumor of editorial deception. How upset was the Post at you? What was the "difference of opinion"? Did they ban you, sensor you...? I hope not as you are entitled to your opinion, just that it be done honestly. Please enlighten us.

     
  17. Mearen

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    If you think competition fixes health care you're sadly mistaken.
     
  18. chris

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    Dear afgm: Please see the snippet above taken from the "Forum Rules and Information" posted by the Admin. You regularly admit that you are NOT a Broadlands resident. Therefore, you are violating the forum's rules. I have no problem with your presence here (though your maniacal ranting is a tad tiring), but you are self admittedly in violation of the Admin's rules. Of course, others posting here may not live here either. However, you have admitted to not living here on numerous occassions. Either the forum's rules should be changed, or you should not post here...if the forum is going to follow its own rules.
     
  19. chris

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    Of course not, afgm. As long as you continue to agree with VACLIFF and GCyr, they will have no problems with your views and letting you post. If you ever oppose their beloved HCA, watch the vile fly!

    GCyr: I might actually believe that are not opposed to free speech and letting people speak their mind if you did not viciously attack anyone who disagrees with you.
     
  20. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    chris-
    A while back I brought up the issue of limiting the forums use to only residents. The Admins made it clear they did not want to do this and cited several examples why. They should, as you point out, rewrite the rules to reflect this.
     

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