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Broadlands Hospital Approved!

Discussion in 'Broadlands Community Issues' started by T8erman, Jan 29, 2004.

  1. afgm

    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

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    Chris, I read it as a guideline, and not a rule. That appears to be the stance taken by the Administrators.

    Obviously, if a segment of the Broadland community wants to limit open dialog, and officially adopt a policy of isolationism, they have that option.

    I believe by having me and others, continue to be part of this forum, most Broadland residents are not accepting that myopic view of the community.

    However, if it is your wish to lobby to silence voices like mine, within this forum, push for it. It is your right, and certainly will be a further reflection on the type of community you wish Broadlands to become.

    My opinion is you and a few others are in a minority on this issue. Most seem to view Broadlands as a viable part of the Ashburn Community and certainly a signficant part of Loudoun County. Your approach is a large reason why your opinion is considered comical, you continue to push views only related to your neighborhood, not the bigger picture. You are a classic example of a NIMBY advocate. You should take guidance, and advice from most of your neighbors, they seem to have a more open view on the overall situation.

     
  2. GCyr

    GCyr New Member

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    Chris,

    I suggest you look in a mirror because you are the one that continues to attack me for no reason. How about providing an example of my "vicious attack". This is suppose to be a discussion forum for the hospital, not your personal attack forum!


     
  3. chris

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    afgm: See above. (Thank you, VACLIFF for understanding the point of my comment. Finally there's something we can agree on.) I said that the forum's rules should be changed to allow non-residents or you should not post on here. I prefer that we all follow the rules of the forum, not just the ones that we like. If enforcement of the forum's rules is arbitrary, then someone could easily assume that the Admins are letting you break the rules (while actively censoring others) only because the Admins agree with your comments. I am not saying that this is case; however, unless rules are enforced, someone could easily make that assumption.

    GCyr: You label my comments as "vile" and have the audacity to say that you're not engaging in attacks. Is the color of the sky over your section of the Broadlands plaid?
     
  4. boomertsfx

    boomertsfx Booyakasha!

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    how about instead of arguing here, bring your position to the appropriate venue that can actually do something.... seems like you guys are wasting alot of time and energy bickering for no ends.

    Can't we all just get along??? [B)]
     
  5. afgm

    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

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    Chris, trying to follow you on this subject, and your other frivilous comments, is a "goat rope". I have come to the conclusion you only want to rabble rouse, and divert attention to yourself. Some people use forums for just entertainment value and not for real discussion. It is apparent you are using this as a personal game, and not related to any real debate. Maybe we should start a forum just for your antics. Let's see how many people listen in then.

     
  6. Forum Administrator

    Forum Administrator Member Forum Staff

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    We have responded to the complaint about Broadlands-only posters in the Forum Rules.

    Please get back on topic.

    Thanks!

    Admins
     
  7. coopstar

    coopstar New Member

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    AFGM, does Ashburn Farms have a forum such as this so that I might join in their discussions and weigh in on their issues?
     
  8. afgm

    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

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    No we do not. If we did I am sure you'd be welcome. Both Ashburn Farm and Broadlands share the same community issues, concerns and benefits.

     
  9. T8erman

    T8erman Well-Known Member

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    Sk8r - really?? geee, we would never have thought of that! Gosh, thanks for pointing that out for us. Next time something happens we will certainly consult with you first.

    WE will decide what is best for our child, not you or anyone else. Oh, and to satisfy your requirements, our son fell down several brick stairs and required a CT scan.

    Want to pile anything else on??? Maybe something about how bad we are at parenting to let our child fall?

    You can move in 2-3 DAYS for all I care.

    Have a lovely day Nurse Ratchet
     
  10. Homer Simpson

    Homer Simpson New Member

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    T8 - Hope your boy is alright. I have a few holes in my head from that age which explains alot...;)
     
  11. SK8R

    SK8R On the Clover Meadow

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    T8: it must have not been that important to the ER triage if you sat for 5 hours. We had head injuries in the ER and if they assessed as urgent they go up to the front of the line. Obviously your son was not in crtical danger especially since you had to "entertain" him the whole time. A CT scan is standard procedure in most head injuries. X rays don't show enough.
    Actually I was initially referring to your ear infection. Going to the ER for an ear infection is never a good idea unless you enjoy sitting. (Ear infections are over rated).
    Yes, You may decide what is best for your child but then don't come out and cry about how you suffered at the ER. You decided to go there.
    I am a nice person so don't call me names. It is not kind anyway. :)
    If you ever need advice regarding anything medical I would be very happy to help.
     
  12. T8erman

    T8erman Well-Known Member

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    skr8 - the major wait time was due to the long line of patients waiting for CT scans. Nurse apologized for the long wait and told us there were 8 people in line and only 1 technician on duty.

    Competition anyone???

    I do apologize to you to but I did not list ALL the symptoms in either case as I do not feel like typing essay length posts. The ear infection we thought he had came with a a fever of 104.4
     
  13. SK8R

    SK8R On the Clover Meadow

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    The hospital can't do much more for a fever of 104.4 than you can do at home.
    When your child spikes a temp you need to cover his forehead (and arms and legs if you can...) with moist cool damp (not dripping) cloths and get the fever down as soon as possible. Keep changing the cloths to keep them cool.
    Give him Tylenol or Motrin. All kids spike high temps. My youngest daughter used to get delirious when she had a fever over 103 and it was frequent. Number one thing is get the fever down. If you can't get the fever down, put them in the tub with coolish water and a bunch of fun toys.
    There are a few very good child care books out there that have pretty good advice about childhood illnesses. One I always recommend is "Your Baby and Child" by Penelope Leach. The other is good ole' Dr. Spock.
    I have never been to the ER with either of my kids and they have had everything, and a lot of scary stuff too.

    Oh, one more thing. We don't need a hospital in Broadlands :)
     
  14. Pats_fan

    Pats_fan Former Resident

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    For high fevers, our doctor has instructed us in the past to give both tylenol and</u> motrin. It worked like a champ, inducing a rapid decrease in our son's fever. I don't think you are supposed to do it on a regular basis, however.
     
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    We don't need a hospital at Broadlands. HCA's decision to build at Broadlands is nothing short of a preditory act designed to force Loudoun Hospital to close. The competition which many believe would improve the service at both hospitals would never happen.

    Residents of South Riding, Middleburg, Purcellville and Lovettsvlle need local healthcare facilities, not two hospitals located within 5 miles of each other in the north-east corner of the County.

    Fortunately the Loudoun County Board of Supervisors have proposed an amendment to the Comprehensive Plan for the County locates healthcare facilities for the benefit the residents of Loudoun County, rather than a Tennessee based corporation. The State Health Commissioner approved a hospital in Planning District 8, so HCA could easily modify its application and build in South Riding. Then Broadlands residents could choose the hospital to go to, which is true competition.

    Support the CPAM
    One County
    Three Hospitals
    Five Health Care Centers
     
  16. MD_boy

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    Whenever there is a situation of this magnitude, no matter the outcome, people will be upset. Whether it be a highway, new home development or a hospital, there is no way to please everyone. Our elected officials need to make a decision based on how they perceive the facts. That is their job and that's what we pay them to do! Many (not all) elected officials are too spineless to make a decision until they know how it will affect their re-election potential. Since the community is basically split 50/50, for and against, our elected clowns will drag it out until a majority begins to emerge which, in the case of the hospitals, isn't going to happen anytime soon.
    Both sides agree that more medical services are needed in Loudoun, be it from a new hospital or an expansion of Loudoun Hospital. Either way, as long as our elected officials drag their feet, no new hospital will be built, LHC will never be able to expand, southern and western Loudoun residents will have to drive 30 miles to get medical attention, all Loudoun residents will be without local cardiac care and every last one of us will suffer because of their indecisiveness! We need to press these officials to get of the pot, do their job and make a decision!
     
  17. afgm

    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

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    OP, I appreciate your view, but would like to clarification portions of your statement.

    It may be a fair statement to say Broadlands is split 50/50, but I would consider it a leap to say the entire County is split. I am not sure if you agree with this distinction, but thought it worth clarification from another perspective.

    Those who are not looking at this from a "not in my backyard" perspective are seeing this with a clearer view of the facts. Those facts are being debated. Some seem to be taking this very emotionally, rather than calmly evaluating the healthcare requirements of the entire county, not just a relatively small neighborhood.



     
  18. MD_boy

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    AFGM,
    I will admit the 50/50 split is not from any official polls only from what I read in the local papers, Loudoun Easterner, Leesburg Today, Washington Post,etc. If there has been any official polling done of Loudoun residents I would love to see it.
    That said, I think you will agree that this issue has been dragged out too long and a decision needs to be made. I feel the local government has enough info to make in informed decision.
    As far as the NIMBY factor, you are correct that it influences some opinions in this forum. I even made note of that fact in a past posting. I am willing to bet there are NIMBY's in Landsdowne fighting Loudoun Hospital's expansion plans because it would increase traffic in their community.
    Personally, I lean toward building BRMC but, I won't lose any sleep if it goes the other way.
     
  19. joseph.barron

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    Putting aside the spinning and misrepresentation of the poll results reported in the May edition of the community newsletter - the standard method for reporting poll results would yield the following:

    Of the 771 qualified responses:
    - 46.30% against,
    - 41.25% for,
    - 10.25% lacked information
    - 2.20% didn't have an opinion.

    Election results are always based on the total number of votes cast. The results are never calculated using the total number of potential voters. Giving the percentages in the way they were reported in the community newsletter was nothing more than an attempt by the author(s) to hide the fact that 46.3% of the respondents were against the hospital. A majority!

    In my opinion, a 5% margin shouldn't be considered a tie, but shows a clear majority of the respondents are against the hospital. As far as the 60% no replies, that is about right for a survey of any particular population. Actually, a 40% response rate could even be considered high.

    I don't expect to find professional journalism in a community newsletter, but it was very surprising and disheartening to find so much blatant advocacy journalism, bordering on plain propaganda.

    I am forwarding this post to the editor of the community newsletter, requesting a clarification be printed in the next issues, using the standard method of reporting poll results.

    Regards,

    Joseph & Taghrid Barron
     
  20. Donna

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    Thank you Joseph and Taghrid for stating the correct procedure when it comes to posting the results of a survey. I used those percentages when speaking to the Board of Supervisors and our HOA VP basically said I was misinformed about the correct percentages and he quoted percentages that included the entire possible voting area. His percentages were 17% and 15% (or about). I thought it was very interesting because I pulled the percentages off of this website and used the percentages he listed in his post. I also informed the BOard of Supervisors that the MAJORITY of the respondents were AGAINST HCAs plan. Good thing you mentioned it so that I couldn't be accused of being biased, devious and misinformed. (not that would ever happen here on this forum). ;)
     

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