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Broadlands Medical Facility

Discussion in 'Broadlands Community Issues' started by yankee1, Jun 28, 2004.

  1. afgm

    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

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    Now here's an excellent example of putting your money where your mouth is!

    What a wonderful example of being a true supporter of the community and healthcare for the County. Thank you HCA/BRMC! And before anyone think this is only for the benefit of BRMC...nothing keeps a nurse student from going through this program and then working for LHC. Pure community interest at heart.


    BRMC Helps Shenandoah Expand Nursing Program
    Megan Kuhn

    Sep 15, 2004 -- Broadlands Regional Medical Center yesterday donated $100,000 to the nursing program at Shenandoah University’s Northern Virginia Campus in Leesburg.
    BRMC Chief Executive Officer Bryan Dearing presented the check to SU President James Davis, saying the organization wanted to demonstrate its commitment to its future community in a tangible way.

    The university used the money to pay for the outfitting of a classroom used by about 40 nursing students, and hired Helen Mautner as its only full time nursing professional at the Leesburg campus. Other staff members work part time, and many commute from the university’s main campus in Winchester.

    Nurses are in high demand and the shortage is expected to grow more acute. The average nurse is 46 years old and reaching retirement. Combine that with the retirement of baby boomers, and there is a nursing shortage nationally and locally, said Sheila Ralph, SU’s director of the division of nursing and respiratory care.

    Because of the donation, the university increased its enrollment in its 15-month accelerated Bachelor of Science in Nursing second degree program. Last fall, the program enrolled 15 students. There will be 28 students this fall.

    Nurses are the foundation of health care, Davis said a speech that stressed the importance of investing in nursing education.

    The partnership between SU and HCA-owned Broadlands Regional Medical Center comes during a continuing battle over whether local authorities will approve construction plans for the Ashburn hospital that was approved by state regulators earlier this year. Loudoun Healthcare Inc. is hoping the board of supervisors will block the Dulles Greenway corridor location, perhaps forcing HCA into the Rt. 50 corridor of southeastern Loudoun.

    County Chairman Scott K. York (I-At Large), who has promoted both expansions at LHI’s Lansdowne and Leesburg centers as well as HCA’s Broadlands project, and state Sen. William C. Mims (R-33) were among those on hand for the check presentation.
     
  2. Barbara

    Barbara New Member

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    AFGM: SU has a lot of partnership programs in Loudoun. Can you post the source for this article, i.e. is it an HCA release, a BRMC release, an SU release, a York, etc? Thanks.

    Barbara Munsey, from South Riding.
     
  3. afgm

    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

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    SOURCE: http://www.leesburg2day.com/current.cfm?catid=5&newsid=9511
    Posted September 15, 2004

    Barbara: Based on your reference, you seem to have some knowledge about SU partnerships. Does Loudoun Hospital have a similiar partnership with SU, to the tune of $100,000?

     
  4. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    What difference does the source of the article make? The fact is they donated $100,000 to this program. That is indisputable.
    HCA/BRMC has made numerous financial contributions to the Loudoun community and to support healthcare. The vast majority go unreported by the media and they don't go around trying to advertise it. That fact shows me they truly care and are not just trying to "buy" support.
     
  5. Barbara

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    AFGM: Not that I am aware of, but as was discussed here before, comparing the financials of not-for-profits to for-profits can be an apples-to-oranges exercise if painted in strokes too broad. I recall someone posting that not-fors should plow their revenue back into their own structure, and while I agree that it could be argued that helping a local university increase the pool of potential applicants for positions could fall under that heading, it may be that a for-profit has more financial leeway in pursuing that avenue, while a not-for has to re-invest more closely to the center.

    Cliff: I was just curious. Remember, keep asking questions? A press release from the BRMC office is going to be couched in a different way than independant coverage of an event, for instance. I'm glad I talked to L2Day, because the woman who wrote the story said that there was a press release, but the story was primarily drawn from attendance at the event, and interviews with principals at the event. She also was kind enough to tell me that http://www.loudounbusiness.com would be running an article in early October that would cover the issue in greater depth, from a business standpoint, so it seems we'll all get more information in a few weeks.



    Barbara Munsey, from South Riding.
     
  6. afgm

    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

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    If for-profits can afford to invest in the community as illustrated by HCA/BRMC....then I say why are we even arguing about them joining the Loudoun Community? They should be welcomed with open arms.

    HCA/BRMC deserve a lot of credit for this recent example of their commitment to Loudoun County's health.

    I can't help but be cynical about the "plow their (LHC) revenue back into their own structure". Are you refering to the revenues (profits) plowed back into LHC's "executive compensation structure" of Loudoun Hospital?:)

    Finally, I totally agree that a for-profit has more financial leeway to invest than a non-prof. This goes back to my early comment that we need a trauma center in Loudoun. I firmly believe a financially strong organization like HCA is more likely to provide this service. A non-prof doesn't have the resources, or the financial backing. For that matter Loudoun Hospital has no experience in funding, designing, or running a trauma center. HCA does.

    Just as a non-prof can't invest in nurse education programs, they also can't afford the upfront investment to needs like trauma centers.

    P.S. A comparison of financials is apples to oranges. Especially when HCA is required to disclose all their numbers, and LHC doesn't disclose all of theirs. I am still wondering why LHC doesn't disclose their level of community program expeditures. If it was something to be proud of I'd think they wouldn't be hiding it. The local media recognizes BRMC's community programs and puts them on the front page of the newspaper.

    Community program expeditures is pretty specific, not "strokes to broad".

     
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    INOVA is a not-for-profit, and has the only level 1 trauma center for adults and children in Virginia.

    Of course, comparing INOVA and LHC is truly comparing apples and oranges...
     
  8. afgm

    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

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    Toosha Exrook!

     
  9. Barbara

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    AFGM: If you totally agree, then why did you ask whether LHI had given a $100K grant? Only for the purpose of saying how great HCA is for doing it? Should I play devil's advocate (ooh, what an opening!) and ask why it took them so long? ;)

    Barbara Munsey, from South Riding.
     
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    Who took so long? LHI, who has been in the community for 92 years and as a non-profit is supposed to do things like this? Or HCA, who is battling to even get to build here? :)

    If you're playing devil's advocate, does that mean I'm now an advocate for the angels? :D
     
  11. Barbara

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    exrook: Glad you enjoyed the opening. :D

    As to who took so long, maybe I should have asked why this grant is so "timely"?;)

    Barbara Munsey, from South Riding.
     
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    Do you mean "timely" like the submission of LHI's comprehensive health care plan? [}:)]
     
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    Pats_fan Former Resident

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    :D LOL!
     
  14. jeanne

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    "Timely", Barbara?...hmmm...let's compare the timeliness of HCA's contribution to SU to the timeliness of LHI's addendum to the CPAM days after BRMC is approved by Stroube...that's comparing a donation that will benefit our area by educating additional healthcare professionals to LHI's effort to block additional healthcare services from coming into our area.

    "Timely"...LHI had 90 plus years to develop a healthcare plan for our county...yet, only did so after BRMC was approved.

    No comparison in an organization, such as HCA, that is striving to bring good things to our county to an organization (LHI) striving to keep good things out.
     
  15. Barbara

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    Jeanne, as I've said to Cliff, I seriously doubt that the CPAM was thrown together in the back room during the two weeks following Dr. Stroube's surprise reversal (perhaps after Mr. Shropshire's perhaps "timely" intervention behind the scenes?), so please let's not go into "they had 90 years to submit a CPAM". The fact is that 90 years ago there wasn't a CP to AM. If it makes you feel better to believe that a comprehensive healthcare plan was feverishly concocted in a smoke-filled room as soon as Dr. Stroube decided to see the light, by all means go ahead.

    Barbara Munsey, from South Riding.
     
  16. afgm

    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

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    There are more than a few that believe this WAS "feverously concocted"! Frankly, I think it is pretty damn obvious it was reactionary. It's not original enough, or creative enough to have taken a long time to put together. A couple of frantic nights could of produced it.

    So "if it makes you feel better to believe" this was a well thought out, community oriented attempt to improve healthcare for the County, then, "by all means go ahead".

    Unbelieveable, LHI supporters can't even bring it upon themselves to admit the 100K donation BRMC made was a noble and worthy move. The subject sure got hijacked quickly after that bit of news came up.

     
  17. jeanne

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    Barbara...maybe you're right...maybe it wasn't concoted in a smoke filled room in 2 weeks...but, it certainly was concoted some time after HCA decided to come to Loudoun County. If that's not a knee jerk reaction, I don't know what is.

    Since you have all of the answers...when was a CPAM first initiated in Loudoun County? So, it's from that point in time until now that LHI had to develop this grand plan...yet, they only introduced it after HCA comes to town? Come on, Barbara...they're not looking out for the citizens of Loudoun County...they're looking out for themselves.

    Would that be apples, oranges or sour grapes?
     
  18. SoxFan

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    Rock On Jeanne! hahaha Sour Grapes are more like it!!!

    AFGM, you are right, it is ridiculous that the whole point of BRMC donating that much to a school that will benefit all hospitals and residents in the area is lost and put down. I do have to say the LHI can do a pretty good "Snow" job! Pretty pathetic if you ask me. Even I can admit when an enemy does someting good or positive.

    One thing I find interesting is that part of the stipulation of being a non-profit means instead of paying taxes you have to provide so much in charity care and give directly back to the community. A for-profit pays taxes and isn't required to do so. I'm not saying Loudoun isn't giving back to the community...although they are certainly giving back to their CEO...The fact that BRMC did give so much to benefit all, speaks volumes to me. $100,000 is a chunk of change for hospital that isn't built or making a dime at this point in time.
     
  19. Barbara

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    AFGM and Jeanne: It appears to me that yes, the purpose of this most recent exercise was to publicize the BRMC grant for the purpose of some cheerleading--and guys, I have to say "noble" is stretching it. And my baited reactions "prove" that insufficient response to said cheerleading is not just a lack of the desired ecstasy, but a "put down"? I agree that adding 13 possible nurses to the local nursing pool is great, yet hesitate to gush that it is "noble". So, mark me as a continuing curious No Sale.

    The progress and the outcome of the endeavor is interesting: the first I heard of it, it was an event by SU to receive an HCA grant. Very vanilla. The initial press coverage adds that it was from BRMC-HCA. The hoopla here, after a dry spell, was that HCA is a noble knight who cares, and anyone who isn't dancing on the bandwagon is actively putting this superlative effort down. Interesting in light of the staff comments to the PC on the latest gap in HCA's paperwork:

    Their original submission was an SPEX, for which a traffic study was done. Some have raised the issue that a traffic study was waived, and yes this is true, but it was waived for a reasonable issue: when they switched to a ZMOD or ZMAP (can't remember, it is only one of their bundles of paperwork) one of the first checks on the punchlist was a traffic study, and one had just been done for the SPEX. So, check. However, in the intervening time, a med office has been added, for which NO traffic study has been done (and apparently the amount of vehicle trips generated by a med office is significant to the degree that the addition is a traffic issue for staff). Looks like they have to address the issue.

    A grant appears, which it is a given for some that people like me are "bashing" because we're not hyperventilating over it. It's great, sure. But is it viscerally earthshaking, or "noble"? I don't think so. I think it's very nice.

    I think that HCA began to draft their CPAM (which I reiterate, AFGM, that if it is truly such a hasty shoddy effort, you have nothing to fear from it, right?) after BOTH LHI and HCA were denied in Richmond the first time. Pre-Shropshire. And at the risk of further repetitiveness, Richmond said that until the approved/not yet online beds were functioning, NO NEW beds were in the offing.

    Jeanne: When did I say I had all the answers? You're the one who said you like to have facts for your opinions, so the question I put to you is not when a CPAM (ComprehensivePlanAMendment) was first initiated in Loudoun, but when did Comprehensive county Plans gain vogue in Virginia? The Reconstruction Constitution of 1868 dictated the Traditional Form of County Government to VA as a conquered seditious state, and Loudoun is the only county in VA of commensurate size, population and continuing rate of growth that still follows that primarily rural model. That is one form of historic preservation it may be beneficial to dispense with, as continuing to practice it produces many of our woes: how long can we follow the old boy party line that we're just a sleepy li'l ole place, that is just overwhelmed with that embarassin' cancer we seem to have somehow developed oops! right where you and I live?! (Could this also explain why there are some non-inner-circle old timers who heartily support a total overhaul of county staff? I believe, as with any government, [and know from personal experience] that there are some gems at Harrison Street who do a superior job with total honesty, unparalleled courtesy and exemplary integrity. There are also a whole heck of a lot of a small group of people's cousins, siblings, and spouses.) The first form of county government in VA to address any modern departure from the old rural model was approved for Arlington in the 1920s, and there have been about ten more since then. Comp Plans postdate that first alternate approval, so it follows that amendments to plans postdate that.

    Loudoun has always been a forerunner in some areas: it owns the distinction of being the primary outlawyer of billboards, due to the spouse of a Washington luminary and power broker who didn't want to see such atrocities when motoring out from DC, back in the heady days before Black Thursday in '29, to visit her horses.

    No apples, but oranges and green grapes. Add nectarines, black plums, pineapple, and I'll share my recipe for anise seed syrup as dressing. It makes a great summer fruit bowl. G'night.

    Barbara Munsey, from South Riding.
     
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    Barbara,

    Do you know for a fact that the traffic study did not include the medical building? If my memory serves me correctly, it did include the medical offices because there have always been medical offices planned with the hospital. I was at the task force meeting where this study was briefed -- were you? What is the source of your information on this study?

    I must have the study report at home but if you search through these forums, you should find mention of this study because the information was discussed in these forums a long time ago.


     

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