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Broadlands Medical Facility

Discussion in 'Broadlands Community Issues' started by yankee1, Jun 28, 2004.

  1. neilz

    neilz New Member

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    Based on what was said by a BRMC representative, HCA has no intentions of creating a trauma center in Broadlands.

    There are only 4 in the entire state, and the HCA rep said that it would cost alot more cash, and it would need a lot more space than they are planning.


    Neil Z.
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  2. afgm

    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

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    Neilz, no doubt, and a valid question to ask them direction. Thanks for relaying the answer. Although it has been known since the beginning they had no plans of building a trauma center. What they will have is another ER room for Loudoun County.

    At the least we are going to end up with an alternative to Loudoun ER. A choice, when Loudoun ER is FULL, or you don't like their service. Competition that will press Loudoun for better services (like a Pediatrician as Cliff keeps trying to point out, and no one seems to respond too). All good things for healthcare in Loudoun.

    At the most, we end up with a local hospital with strong financial backing that can look to the future to sponsor and fund a trauma center.

    Based on what was said by a BRMC representative, HCA has no intentions of creating a trauma center in Broadlands.

    There are only 4 in the entire state, and the HCA rep said that it would cost alot more cash, and it would need a lot more space than they are planning.


    Neil Z.
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  3. Zansu

    Zansu New Member

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    It doesn't have to be within 5 miles of the current facility for those things to happen, and, as a matter of fact, for the vast majority of citizens who don't live in this corner of loudoun, it would be better if it were not.
     
  4. afgm

    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

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    I suggest asking the Park View player's parents if they thought it was needed in Ashburn? There wasn't an available ER in Loudoun when his accident happpened.

     
  5. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    Ahh yes.. the 'go find it yourself' response when you ask for validation of someone's claims. A reoccuring trend...

    -Steve
     
  6. Donna

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    What's that saying..."You're D###ed if you do and you're D###ed if you don't." Flynnibus if there is a claim that needs to be validated, I am more than happy to help provide info, please show me what has not been addressed so I can stop whatever "reoccuring trend" you seem to be implying.
     
  7. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    Talking about the behavior which can be seen in part of this thread that climaxed at page 25 questioning your sources for the infamous letter. (BTW.. the search feature of this forum is useless :D ) You post one link and every other challenge you just tell people to 'look it up' or 'research for yourself'.

    You claim to look it up.. so why not provide the bibliography of your own research? You can't throw around the word 'fact' if you aren't willing to back it up.

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  8. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    Regarding Trauma center:
    I believe it is the intent for BRMC to become one some day. I believe it is in their plans, and was one of the reasons some objected to the Broadlands site due to the fact that a trauma center would lead to increased helicopter trips.
    I also spoke to a Planning Commission member last week who also stated that HCA would like BRMC to become a trauma center.
     
  9. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    More good news for the Broadlands community if BRMC is approved!
    The mysterious 4 acre parcel of land......you know, the one Tony Raker of LHC and Donna tried to scare residents into believing will be turned into a nightclub...... will have its use determined by Broadlands residents. This parcel is along Broadlands Blvd and has the potential to have the greatest impact on residences.
    HCA has agreed to allow the community to work with them to determine an appropriate use for this parcel, worth about $1,000,000. For those who have doubted HCA's word on this, I believe the Planning Commission will make it a condition of approval for the project.
     
  10. Donna

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    HCA has made so many promises that you should have learned by now that those promises aren't always kept. Didn't they promise to keep that trauma center open when they were going for approval, didn't they promise it would provide hundreds of jobs, didn't they promise to "do no harm" when they bilked the US government, didn't they promise to provide medical treatment for ALL the people who walked through their doors ...a thesis could be written on all of their unkept promises. It is amazing how you blindly beleive what HCA tells you. Have them put it in writing. Have them put in writing that WE can decide what goes on that property, regardless of whether it is a fixed structure or not. If HCA would put half of what they say in writing maybe they would have more supporters. ;)
     
  11. Zansu

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    What's up?
     
  12. afgm

    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

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    How's that song go by Manford Mann, "Blinded by the light, wrapped up like a....". Donna's new theme song[8D]

    Can you PLEASE be specific in your criticism.

    You forgot to bring up the medical waste incinerator, the hypodermic needles in the playgrounds, the medical patients trying to get into your house, the dozens of helicopters buzzing overhead, blah, blah blah.

    Unless there appears valid arguments, other than NIMBY, against this hospital, I suggest changing the discussion to one of, "what to do with the generous gift HCA appears to be offering". And yes, it should be in writing, I am sure HCA wouldn't have a problem with that, I've seen nothing from them, other than integrity and straight talk. I am not sure where all the histrionics mentioned in this post are coming from, other than pure rhetorical garbage.


     
  13. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    Donna-
    Please make some attempt to explain why Loudoun Hospital's Community Relations Director, Tony Raker, sent out a letter claiming HCA may attempt to rezone the property for nightclubs? Better yet, why don't you get Mr. Raker to respond?
    This was an utterly, knowingly false piece of propaganda BS spewed for no reason other than to upset Broadlands residents. I'll take HCA's credibilty over LHC's any day.
    The only sad thing in all this is you bought into Raker's garbage and basically reissued his letter with your signature. But I can understand why. After all, you work for these people.
     
  14. neilz

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    Just want to be specific here.

    At the Developer's update last Thursday (Oct 7th), the HCA representative specificially said that they are NOT looking at turning the ER here into a trauma center.



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  15. Donna

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    Cliff, it is very interesting that what LHC says is "propaganda BS" and what HCA says is utter truth. Who I work for has never and will never make a difference on my strance on this issue, so I will not defend my employment choice. As for the suggestion that a nightclub could be placed on that property, who says it never could be? Show me where in the COPN process (special exception) a nightclub is excluded from being built there? It doesn't, there are certain business operations that can be built with or without a special exception. Ask Mark to provide you with a list of the businesses that require a special exception, and those types that don't require one, you may be surprised.
     
  16. GCyr

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    Come on, Donna! Please explain where this notion about a nightclub came from.

    A nightclub is NOT listed as an option in the special exemption uses for the PD-OP Planned Development - Office Park zoning for the HCA property. If you see one listed, please quote the section for me. And, while you're at it, please point out the incinerator you said was in the HCA COPN application -- I still haven't found it!



     
  17. Donna

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    Greg, If you recall I clarified that both publically and privately about the incinerator. Thanks for the chance to remind you of that misspoken and clarified concern.
     
  18. Barbara

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    Wow, sure looks like dogpile on Donna these days! Must mean that HCA's bundle of stuff comes up at the PC soon--last chance to work out on LHC, eh? Tell me, what are you going to do if it fails? I mean, on the merits of the bundle of applications, including the by-right one for a med office that generates more traffic than a regular office, which means no traffic study on the whole collection of apps? Will some be signing on for the lawsuit?

    Barbara Munsey, from South Riding.
     
  19. GCyr

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    I have a question for anyone who has visited the medical offices located at LHC. Have you ever been stuck in any type of "rush hour" traffic while visiting your doctor's office, or the hospital for that matter? I don't go to my doctor's office very often, but I've never seen anything that I would call traffic going to or leaving my doctor's office. I've never had to wait more than a few seconds at the Stop sign (leaving the parking lot) to cross the road and turn left to head back home, so I just don't see where the medical office traffic concerns are coming from.

    Obviously this is only my personal observation, so what's it like for the rest of you? Is there so much traffic going to and leaving your doctor's office at the LHC medical buidling that you would equate it to "rush hour" traffic? I've also never seen a "rush" of patient traffic exiting the medical offices, so why the concern?

    Barbara, tell me, what are you going to do if BRMC is approved? Move on to South Riding community concerns, I hope...


     
  20. Pats_fan

    Pats_fan Former Resident

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    Speaking from my experience of having driven to one of our regions largest hospitals, INOVA Fairfax, dozens of times over the last couple of years, IMO the traffic in and around a hospital is comparable to that of an office park. The only times that the traffic approximates a "rush hour" is around shift changes. But, I would suspect that the shift change traffic would be similar to office park traffic at the beginning and end of the day.

    Inova Fairfax has 753 beds. BRMC, at 160 beds, will be almost 5 times smaller, and the traffic would pale in comparison to that of Inova Fairfax. So, if the anti-hospital folks can't come up with anything better than this, IMO they are in trouble.
     

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