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Broadlands Medical Facility

Discussion in 'Broadlands Community Issues' started by yankee1, Jun 28, 2004.

  1. afgm

    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

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    "Wow, sure looks like dogpile on Donna these days!"

    As stated before, there is a long history here (and elsewhere, to bad you can't see her debunked former website) about Donnaisms. They're classic and easy targets.

    "--last chance to work out on LHC, eh?"

    This is a marathon, and BRMC is just reaching its stride. We'll soon find out if we are close to the finish or only halfway there.

    "Tell me, what are you going to do if it fails?"

    Vote out the politician who only had South Riding in his interest. Vote into office someone who will support the continued effort.

    "Will some be signing on for the lawsuit?"

    What lawsuit??


     
  2. spaceguy

    spaceguy New Member

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    I guess our experiences differ once again. Over the past two years I have been to HCA's Reston Hospital complex on a number of occassions and invariably run into a stream of traffic -- whether it is at 9 am, 11 am, or 4 pm. On several occassions it has also been difficult to find a parking place. Now that they have completed the parking garage, I admit the parking situation is better, but there are still streams of cars (and buses and ambulances) at all times. Fair Oaks is not much better..especially at rush hour when traffic along Rugby Road (which provides the main entrance to the hospital) is virtually bumper to bumper. I really don't want to see that kind of traffic through our neighborhood.

     
  3. Barbara

    Barbara New Member

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    GCyr: If I cross the line, I'm sure the Admins will ban me. I think transportation and healthcare are district issues.

    AFGM: I've said before that I feel it isn't kosher for people who don't live in Broadlands to attack members of the Broadlands HOA. I do feel you occasionally use your anonymity inappropriately to engage in this.

    Marathon? Certainly. Hitting their stride? Perhaps.

    Lawsuit first: the one Mark Looney told our HOA would be filed if they were turned down. Next: vote out the one who "only" cares about SR? Tell me, what do you know about the Eastern Loudoun Civic Association, the PEC/HOA group that recently reincarnated as the Campaign for Loudoun's Future because they got zero traction in three months, even with four Washington Post articles? I hear they are already credentialing candidates for 07, and I've heard your name mentioned. How are you (or the ex-AOL/new PEC "consultant") from the northern border of our fast growing district going to carry the entire district if you are on record as hating the south so much? Have you seen the September school numbers? The district is growing fast, and one part is growing faster than expected.

    Barbara Munsey, from South Riding.
     
  4. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    Donna-
    Nightclubs are NOT listed under special exception uses. At least I didn't see it anywhere. Do you have it? Seems like you just believe Tony Raker without checking out his facts. As HCA has demonstrated, and you have seen at the hearings, HCA needs all the available square footage to build the hospital and medical office buildings. That is why they cannot build an enclosed structure on the site they are letting the Broadlands residents determine the use of. Are you trying to imply that building the hospital is just a misdirection and HCA's plan is to build nightclubs on the property?? That's a credible argument!!!!!
    Regarding the incinerator, I do not believe you have clarified your position on this. When I last spoke to you about it, you still claimed "it's in my stack of stuff here somewhere".
     
  5. afgm

    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

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    "I do feel you occasionally use your anonymity inappropriately to engage in this."

    Active members on this board know why I do not post my associations, including you, which you have stated you respect. Those who are interested have contacted me via email, for clarification. As stated before, I will tell anyone the specifics if they email me. What I post here is my opinion and not those of my associations. I will keep it that way. I don't see that as inappropriate. Boy does that sound like a broken record.

    "...if you are on record as hating the south so much?"

    On the record for what? I've never said I hate the south. Your inference may conclude that, based on my debate on some vocal views from the south. "I am very happy living in Loudoun. I also may know more northern Virginia history than you think, because I have lived here for", 41 "years now."

    "Lawsuit first: the one Mark Looney told our HOA would be filed if they were turned down."

    Who is Mark Looney?

    Tell me, what do you know about the Eastern Loudoun Civic Association, the PEC/HOA group that recently reincarnated as the Campaign for Loudoun's Future....

    I know nothing of them. I've heard of PEC, but that is about it.

    "I hear they are already credentialing candidates for 07, and I've heard your name mentioned."

    I know nothing about it, nor do I have aspirations for such.

    "Have you seen the September school numbers? The district is growing fast, and one part is growing faster than expected."

    Very insightful for you to bring this into the debate. Insightful into your thinking and motives. Are you suggesting a difference between the north and south of Dulles district? We should probably use a different forum for that discussion.

     
  6. Barbara

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    AFGM: I obviously respect your anonymity by agreeing to maintain it by proxy. If I didn't, would I address you as AFGM? I do not agree that it grants you (or me) license to attack Broadlands HOA members on behalf of issues, nor do I agree that choosing to be identity-anonymous grants the ability to discuss only the portions of issues that agree with the agenda you seem to be advancing. IOW, you can choose not to say your name, and I won't either, but that doesn't confer ignorance for the sake of partial truth-telling.

    You sure don't like the south much, and have numerous times posted items that are denigrating of the area, as well as massively condescending. Good for you to read the LTM forum. Is your selective quote in support of the idea that Blue Ridge district should be the final arbiter of which roads are improved in Dulles, including 659? If so, contact PEC, because that is their position.

    Who is Mark Looney? You mean you are now in the dark about the lawyer who represents the HCA project and has for quite a while now? When HCA presented (at our request) to our HOA, he was clear, in answer to a question, that HCA would seek legal recourse if denied approval. I bet that collection of apps would make for some fun times in the courtroom, and I hope they draw Judge Horne if it does pan out that way--he made hash of the bogus nitrates suits, and we could balance the county budget in perpetuity if we sold tickets to watch him try HCA vs. Loudoun.

    As far as the school numbers, I don't know what you're insinuating. I raised the issue in response to the (my opinion) position often taken by some of the pro-HCA folks that there is nothing in southern Dulles, and there will be nothing for some time. (remember "when South Riding grows up..."? I do.) This view seems to often be held by those who have a personal interest in advancing the continued underprojection of the region. Well, LCPS planning was off by 1.6% on the downside, but that was system-wide. The cluster down here brought more kids than anticipated, with more enrolling every day. How can that be, if there's nothing here? The only other cluster that came in over projection was Loudoun Valley--the other area that would be served by countywide planning. Again, it isn't a north/south Dulles issue--it is a county issue.

    Barbara Munsey, from South Riding.
     
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    Hold on, now, wait a minute. AFGM doesn't have to state his associations (which now leads one to wonder what they are) but he's the biggest "Donna works for LHC" whiner, even though SHE is the one who made that known. Am I the only one who smells fish here?
     
  8. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    Barbara-
    Regarding your comment "I've said before that I feel it isn't kosher for people who don't live in Broadlands to attack members of the Broadlands HOA."......The Broadlands HOA members that express their personal opinions on this website can have their views challenged just like anyone else.
    Very few of what we (vacliff, Donna, neilz, msflynn) post is as Broadlands HOA members. We do occasionally provide updates on meetings or clarify HOA rules. If someone wants to challenge what the Broadlands HOA is doing, then trying to do it on this site will accomplish nothing since most people post anonymously.
     
  9. Barbara

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    Cliff, I understand and agree with the fact that anonymity does little in the way of accomplishment or credibility. I also agree that anyone posting here (nearly all of whom are HOA members in your community, whether they serve in HOA office or not) is operating under rules that allow disagreement or challenge of opinion. Baiting balances on the line of civil discourse, and I've danced there myself. Personal attack is another matter, particluarly for someone who (like myself) is privileged to be here as a guest.

    Barbara Munsey, from South Riding.
     
  10. neilz

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    OK ... I'm surprised this has not been reported earlier:

    Planning commission votes against HCA ... 5 against, 3 for, 1 abstention. It now goes to the BoS, then, I suppose, the courts.



    Neil Z.
    Resident since 1999
     
  11. GCyr

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    Donna,

    You never really answered the question as to where your statement about the incinerator came from (in the past or now). It's just too easy to throw something like the incinerator out in these forums, get everyone upset about it, and then never really state that you were wrong -- like, HCA never stated in their COPN that they planned to include an incinerator at BRMC. In fact, they didn't know what you were talking about when you first mentioned it at a task force meeting. However, you did say that you would provide us with the information about where you heard about the incinerator -- that never happened!

    For those who haven't followed this topic from the beginning, there never was an incinerator mentioned in the COPN, and HCA has no intention of including one at the hospital. This was just another scare tactic used to spread misinformation and never correct it with facts.

    Which leads me to my next question you didn't answer. You didn't point out in the zoning regs where a nightclub is an exceptable use for the HCA property zoning or where this mention of a nightclub came from.

    So, here's another chance to really claify these two concerns.


     
  12. marielaveau

    marielaveau Voodoo Queen

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    That's like saying "Well they didn't say whateverthingwillgetpeopleallscared won't be built there....
    It's akin to finding the communities hot button and pushing for the sake of getting a response.

    Greg, I think that may answer your question.
     

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