Clyde's Update

SPEX 2003-0034 / CLYDE’S RESTAURANT

Posted from County Memorandum dated Oct 20, 2004

Supervisor Snow moved that the Board of Supervisors forward Special Exception 2003-0034, Clyde’s Restaurant - Broadlands, to the November Land Use Committee meeting for further discussion.

Staff Contact: Ginny Rowen, Planning Department

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SPEX 2003-0034 CLYDE’S RESTAURANT

Supervisor Snow moved that the Board of Supervisors forward SPEX 2003-0034, Clyde’s Restaurant to the October 19, 2004 Board Business meeting for action (The Board voted unanimously).

Supervisor Burton requested information addressing the possible noise problem associated with this application.

Staff Contact: Ginny Rowen, Planning
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SPEX 2003-0034 / CLYDE’S RESTAURANT

Election District: Dulles

Critical Action Date: October 12, 2004

Clyde’s Restaurant Group has submitted an application to amend the previously approved special exception (SPEX 2001-0029) to allow the development of a free-standing restaurant in Broadlands. Specifically, the applicant is requesting to modify the design and exterior architectural detailing, provide additional banquet seating, increase the building size, provide a patio bar, and modify the front entrance circulation plan approved in conjunction with SPEX 2001-0029. Staff has recommended the same conditions of approval as originally approved in SPEX 2001-0029. These applications are subject to the 1972 Zoning Ordinance. The property is approximately 11.03 acres and is located on the north side of Broadlands Boulevard, south of the Dulles Greenway, west of Claiborne Parkway and east of Belmont Ridge Road. The area is governed by the Business policies of the Revised General Plan, which designate this area for commercial development. The Planning Commission reviewed the application at the September 20, 2004 public hearing. No one from the public spoke regarding the application. The Commission forwarded the application to the Board with a recommendation of approval. Staff recommends approval. Should the Board wish to forward this item to a future meeting a timeline extension from the applicant will be needed.

Staff Contact: Virginia Rowen, Department of Planning. 703-777-0246

 

What does Supervisor Burton care about possible noise problem when it's not even remotely close to his sacred western end? Another anti-business tactic from a leftover Board member. This guy just amazes me.

 

He may have been supporting Supervisor Waters' attack on Snow. Apparently there are some folks in the extreme northern rim of the Dulles district who have been pretty vocally concerned about it lately (I don't know if they are from Broadlands or Ashburn Farm, but some may have been from the Farm because Sup. Waters said she'd been getting calls on it too), so Snow made a motion to send it to land use to get it worked out, and then subsequently in discussion Sup. Waters said to send it to land use and get it worked out or he wasn't taking care of his constituents. ?but he just said?
Anyway, I am curious about it too, because from the conversation on this forum it appears that most of the people who post here are really looking forward to the restaurant. Anybody know anything about the concerns of the people who raised the noise issue?

Barbara Munsey, from South Riding.

 

From what I understand ... some homeowners on the other side of the Greenway had some concerns. We here on the HOA board have not heard anything from our residents about not letting Clydes put in the restaurant. Mostly questions about parking and such, most of these questions have been laid to rest as Clydes would have access to the Loudoun Cty School building's parking lot for overflow.

The interesting part of the homeowner's questions was on noise . Excuse me ?? You live alongside the Greenway, and you're worried about hearing some good music 12 times a year ??

The whole deal about Clydes having an outdoor's area was so that they could sponsor outdoors activities, much as they do in Reston. Each one of these would require a county permit, so it would be in Clydes own interest to make sure that nothing happened to prevent them getting the next permit.



Neil Z.
Resident since 1999

 

Clyde's is planning on a community meeting on Monday November 8. The location will most likely be one of the schools.

 

The Greenway is usually white noise and at a constant humm until some muffler challanged bikes or sports cars go by. Again this is supposed to be a quiet natural neighborhood and not an urban town center.

I'm all for Clydes, and even for some outside stuff as long as it's during daytime and not every week.

 

I will start by saying that I am all for the Clyde's and can't wait until it opens-it's one of my favorite restaurants. And I don't care WHAT kind of noise that it will bring, I'm just excited to have them in the neighborhood.

I live "under the Greenway" from the Safeway (sorry, not a Broadlands resident, but close enough). I will say that during the summer Broadlands Live festivities at Hillside, I could hear the music from my back yard. Sounded great, I'm not complaining, but Hillside is a LOT farther than the Clyde's site. So I could see why some people may be concerned. Just my 2 cents...

 

I've heard absolutely nothing (no pun intended) about noise concerns from my side of the Greenway. Sounds like it might be the same NIMBY effect we've heard from another project in the area.

 

This noise issue is new. They're changing the game in the middle of it. When Clydes first announced there was no mention of the possibility of noise issues. I was under the impression that it would all be inside like the one in D.C. What does Clydes want to do? Allow outside bands every night until closing? Or just outside bar and dining? I think this really needs to be scrutinized. There are houses right across from there and once it's in, it's done.

And before you folks get all riled up as you are want to do, think about this. You buy a $700,000 single family house. You know there is going to be stuff across the way but you think it's going to dining and shops. Then you find out that the plans changed to include outside activities. That could seriously impact someones quality of life and home value.

I'm not saying deny Clydes, just that we need to make sure that it fits with the idea that this is a neghborhood and not a town center and that our residents don't get hurt by it.

 

I've heard they are going to be incinerating cattle at the site! And it is not going to be inside but OUTSIDE! Can you imagine the trauma to children seeing this unsightly display? What about the carcinogens?

The discarded and unused carcasses are going to attract coyotes. Word is coyotes are already taking over the neighborhoods in Vienna.

This was never mentioned when Clyde's first announced they were coming, and now they are changing the game in the middle of it. I smell a conspiracy.

I also heard Donna is taking a part time job at the new Original Steakhouse. I understand she has already written an "authorized" (but she won't tell by who) letter for wide distribution. Word is the next HOA elections are going to hinge on fighting this large, for profit business. This is going to drive competition out of town, and distress the entire region.

Maybe those expensive house owners would prefer a jiffy lube. I am having a very hard time taking this complaint seriously.

 

Again, you dont live here Ashburn Farm General Manager. I'm really getting tired of your crap and I as a resident want you off the boards.

 

Touchy touchy. It's a joke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Not funny. I take nothing but abuse on these boards and it's getting hard to tell who is joking and who is being abusive. It's too easy to take print out of context. Use a <joke></joke> tag then.

 

Clarification. I am not the General Manager. I am a homeowner that lives in Ashburn Farm.

 

It was a joke.....

 

Madness and nimbyism are really getting me fired up.
I've waited YEARS for Clyde's to come to Broadlands.
I've put up with poor community planning with respect to commercial areas and have been silent.
I've put up with a year of hospital talk and have been silent.
I've put up with trees being torn down by accident - and have not been quiet about it
I've put up with more and more schools being built in the neighborhood and have never ONCE actually said the truth - they bring traffic, they are noisy, they are used at all times of the day and night for games and fundraisers and other events. And that is GREAT! That is what schools are for - to benefit the community. To be used all the time for instructional or non instructional use.
So to those of you who are afraid of the noise that Clyde's will bring, I say get a grip. Either move to the west or come join the rest of your community in the great atmosphere Clyde's will bring.
When I moved to this neighborhood 4 1/2 years ago it was NOT for the rural experience - it was for a GREAT neighborhood with a lot of green space that is well maintained and provide LOTS of amenities - at the time of course there was nothing in Broadlands of commercial nature, but the promise of Clyde's, ah, that was part of the lure.
Bring it on already.

 

I'm not saying no to Clydes. Not all Clydes have outdoor noise problems. If they can mitigate the noise to the neighborhood, great! If not then they should keep the bands inside. This is NOT Reston TC.

And to suggest people should move so you can have Clydes is selfish. Why don't you move to DC if you want that.

 

Hey Homer, out of curiosity did you ever attend the outdoor concerts at the stone house on the hill? Do you think all the people who live on that side of Broadlands by stream valley park envisioned beer sales and loud music 4 times a year for 4 hours at a time? What about all of the festivals that held over there throughout the year that bring hundreds of kids and pets and vendors?
What I see is selfish is the belief that community facilities should bend to a no noise rule when those "rules" are broken throughout the year.

 

I think outdoor music is a wonderful thing. It brings people together and makes this place feel like an actual friendly community, instead of a bunch of mean-spirited complainers who peer out their curtains for a chance to catch someone breaking the rules so that they can get up on their soapbox and scream "What about the children!!!!" Right now, this place is anything but friendly.

 

Nope, I never do. Clydes is a private establishment not a community facility. I'm sure they'll be loud more than four times a year since they're open all year round. If you enjoy it so much I hope someone builds a noise factory next to your house so maybe you'll have some empathy next time.