1. Yes, it's a whole new look! Have questions or need help? Please post your question in the New Forum Questions thread Click the X to the right to dismiss this notice
    Dismiss Notice
  2. Seeing tons of unread posts after the upgrade? See this thread for help. Click the X to the right to dismiss this notice
    Dismiss Notice

Clyde's Update

Discussion in 'Broadlands Community Issues' started by afgm, Oct 25, 2004.

  1. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2002
    Messages:
    5,281
    Likes Received:
    344
    farscape-
    Sorry to hear that you simply believed the marketing propaganda and never look at a site plan for the whole community. Did you notice there's an interstate running through it? That's not very peaceful!:)
     
  2. Homer Simpson

    Homer Simpson New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2002
    Messages:
    1,361
    Likes Received:
    0
    Admins is this the kind of threatening behaviour you allow? Oh, wait, Steve IS an admin. Double standards....

    I don't like you. You don't like me. Why don't we just ignore each other until you can get an ignore poster option in these forums or are you to busy being threatening to do anything with the Tech Committee?
     
  3. Homer Simpson

    Homer Simpson New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2002
    Messages:
    1,361
    Likes Received:
    0
    Oh, so you admit the HOA is lieing? Very interesting. Propaganda is a form of lieing....
     
  4. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2002
    Messages:
    5,358
    Likes Received:
    250
    I'm not an admin, nor have I ever been.

    Why don't you stop assuming your opinions are the same as everyone else?

    -Steve
     
  5. boomertsfx

    boomertsfx Booyakasha!

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2002
    Messages:
    2,260
    Likes Received:
    34
    It's times like these where I look to our elders... Where is Dang anyways?
     
  6. Pats_fan

    Pats_fan Former Resident

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2004
    Messages:
    1,030
    Likes Received:
    1
    Doh! Is he in hiding?
     
  7. neilz

    neilz New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2003
    Messages:
    2,547
    Likes Received:
    0
    The HOA has never marketed Broadlands. The Broadlands.ORG site has NEVER been an HOA site .. it has been, since the beginning, a marketing tool for the developer, all the handouts about Broadlands have been created by the developer. Southern Walk's neighborhood idea was a marketing ploy, yes you have neighboorhoods, but they're all part of the Broadlands.

    The www.hoa.broadlands.org site is the HOA site, and it doesn't market anything. The technology committee is planning to move the HOA site to a separate server in the future, possibly with a new domain name, but that is not assured.

    Frankly, one of the reasons we did buy here was because of the fact that the developer did have a plan to maintain natural areas, and all the commercial areas were prominently delimited.

    We did a good six month investigation of developments in Loudoun, and settled on the Broadlands as one with an excellent mix of amenities and green space.



    Neil Z.
    Resident since 1999
     
  8. Homer Simpson

    Homer Simpson New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2002
    Messages:
    1,361
    Likes Received:
    0
    I agree with you to a degree. The problem is with the definition of commercial space. I think of things like the saul center or the office park I work in, not Ampitheaters and outdoor festivals.
     
  9. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2002
    Messages:
    5,281
    Likes Received:
    344
    Homer,
    Sorry that what you "think" commercial space is differs from the reality of all of the possible uses for commercial space. They are listed in the zoning regulations and includes a lot more things than office parks and strip malls.
    I think Neil cleared up the fact that the HOA and the Developer are two different entities. My point was that if you simply believe advertising blindly without putting in any effort to look into things yourself, those rose colored glasses will get a tad dirty!
     
  10. Homer Simpson

    Homer Simpson New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2002
    Messages:
    1,361
    Likes Received:
    0
    Isn't the Developer in charge of the HOA until it is turned over? Ultimately I blame Loudoun for its poor planning, zoning, and "Ostrich" mentality on many issues.
     
  11. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2002
    Messages:
    5,281
    Likes Received:
    344
    The Developer is currently control of the HOA Board, however the HOA has absolutely NO say or input into the commercial property EVER.
    I asked if one resident of the HOA Board could be appointed as a member of the commercial property owners association. The request was met with a look that said, Yeah, when pigs fly............"
     
  12. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2002
    Messages:
    5,281
    Likes Received:
    344
    Don't forget: The Clyde's meeting is Monday, 7pm, Mill Run library.
     
  13. lovebroadlands

    lovebroadlands New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2004
    Messages:
    5
    Likes Received:
    0
    I must agree that Clyde's will be a wonderful addition to the community. I think everyone needs to remember that once Southern Walk is completed, we will be a total resale community. We will be compared to the communities of Brambleton and such. It is vital to our property values that we have high-end restaurants and ammenities for new buyers. In general, most people prefer new homes to older homes when prices are relatively the same. It's important that Broadlands have ammenities that appeal to everyone. I am sorry that so many people were mislead by their agents on that side of Broadlands. I have been here since 1998 and we even knew about the zoning for a mental health facility that was on the overall plan, along with other public services (fire & police stations-which have since changed). That side has always been zoned for commercial & non-residential use. Restaurants are much better than a Wal-Mart or another large retail chain (which will increase noise, crime, and trash). Before everyone gets worked up over Clyde's, please remember that if you keep fighting every proposal, the high-end places won't even bother anymore- they will go to Brambleton or one of the newer communities. Then, you will only get the crap left at the bottom. That area has always been zoned for NON-RESIDENTIAL USE.
     
  14. afgm

    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2002
    Messages:
    2,396
    Likes Received:
    5
    After attending tonights meeting, I can respond to my own hypothetical. This "late to the party" issue does not appear to have any reflection on Snow and the Board, or the relationship between them.

    It is all associated with a bunch of NIMBY's. There may be a few valid points from them on controlling noise, but I do not agree with their efforts to delay the Clyde's project.

    Steve Snow was acting as a Representative, and provided a forum for Clyde's to present the current plan. Sounds like what a Supervisor should do.

    And I must say the plan looks FANTASTIC! I can't believe the good fortune of having a class organization like Clyde's invest in the community like they are. A first rate facility that will be a fabulous addition to the area. It can't open fast enough.

     
  15. neilz

    neilz New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2003
    Messages:
    2,547
    Likes Received:
    0
    Thank you AFGM for that report.

    Can I ask, where are these NIMBYs from ??

    Neil Z.
    Resident since 1999
     
  16. bike4fun

    bike4fun New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 6, 2003
    Messages:
    156
    Likes Received:
    2
    Ok, some people seem to be upset that Cylde's is asking to change the design of the facility. Like some others have said, the property was always zoned for this type of facility.

    I am more concerned that the developer is now requesting zoning changes.

    Ridgeway drive is almost connected to the greenway. I went down that road about a week ago and there is one of those public notice signs posted. It is a request to change the zoning from commercial to residential.

    Makes a lot of sense to post the notice where no one will ever see it.

    So, the developer is asking to build more homes. I have no problem with that, but I think they should then build more infrasturcture for the additional owners. I vote for a workout area/raquetball facility. Not anything the size of the Ashburn Village Sports Pavilion (half of that facility is an indoor pool anyway).

    What does everyone else think?
     
  17. boomertsfx

    boomertsfx Booyakasha!

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2002
    Messages:
    2,260
    Likes Received:
    34
    I agree with lovebroadlands. Clydes will be awesome to have here. If we keep complaining, we'll end up with a crapplebee's or something!
     
  18. afgm

    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2002
    Messages:
    2,396
    Likes Received:
    5
    Hard to be certain, but there were a few folks from the other side of Broadlands Blvd. Ironically, (and to my astonishment!) the most vocal "noiseyacks" were from the otherside of the Greenway. How crazy is that, to complain about noise from a facility on the otherside of a major highway. Anyway, that appears to be a major source of the NIMBY factor.

    Informationally, there is a small 12 home association nestled within Ashburn Farm. It is independent from Ashburn Farm HOA. They are located at the end of Belgreen Drive. Belgreen is the first left off of Claiborne after entering Ashburn Farm. At the end of Belgreen is a cul-de-sac. There are several homeowners within that association that raised the complaint.

    As I mentioned, I am not discounting their concerns, especially those on the otherside of Broadlands Blvd. But, get real, NOISE concerns from the otherside of the Greenway?

    Steve Snow was getting a considerable amount of pressure from this group. If you support Clyde's and wish for expedient approval of their request you might want to drop Steve a note to support the cause. His email is ssnow@loudoun.gov

     
  19. marielaveau

    marielaveau Voodoo Queen

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2004
    Messages:
    243
    Likes Received:
    2
    That is just crazy .....
    I agree AFGM.

    What kind of pressure were they exerting ... to make them amend it to not include the outdoor seating, or to ax it all together?

    Is it me, or does it seem like folks are fighting everything that is supposed to go in that space. Are they hoping that the county/developer/businesses are going to give up and just say "Oh all riiiiiiight ....we'll make it a park"
     
  20. afgm

    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2002
    Messages:
    2,396
    Likes Received:
    5
    The posture was one of trying to get Clyde's to conform to their unique wishes. i.e. limiting service hours, adding sound proofing (which was stated to already be a significant part of the project), limiting outdoor activities, limiting indoor space usage to control sound, controlling times of music, controlling noise levels of patrons, providing noise limit guarantees, etc. etc.

    I did not get the impression they wanted Clyde's to go away.

    Most of the pressure was verbal in nature towards Snow. Hard to say how far they would push.

    The most likely effect they could have (if anarchy rules)is they will delay the November variance approval. This will push back the project. Clyde's did mention they don't have control of the land yet, and if things become to tenuous, they could reconsider the project. My impression was they wouldn't go this far, but they could.

    Overall Clyde's seemed extremely positive, and cooperative. I think they are excited about joining the community.

     

Share This Page