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Do NOT return HOA Survey

Discussion in 'Broadlands Community Issues' started by Stephanie, Dec 8, 2003.

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  1. Stephanie

    Stephanie New Member

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    I urge all of you to consider the following:

    Do not return the HOA's survey about the hospital. Please see who signed the letter (the most outspoken supporter of the hospital). Would you trust someone who has strong feelings one way or the other to be fair in couting the votes? For example, would you have trusted Al Gore or G.W. to personally count the votes in Florida? I don't think so.

    So, I urge all of you to abstain from this process since I am sure that the final vote tally may already have been decided. If the HOA really wants to know what the Broadlands community wants, there should be a FAIR AND BALANCED, THIRD-PARTY SURVEY!
     
  2. Dang.Yu.Hyung

    Dang.Yu.Hyung New Member

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    What survey? I did not get. Is it online? Who sent?
     
  3. trb

    trb New Member

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    Our survey came in the mail Saturday. I don't know how much more "fair and balanced" it can be - basically 3 choices - for, against, or don't care. And I strongly suspect that there will be people from all 3 of those categories either counting, or present when the surveys are counted-the HOA is not stupid. Why should anyone throw away their chance to express an opinion?
     
  4. hornerjo

    hornerjo Senior Member

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    It was a survey about the Broadlands Hospital that was sent out snail mail. I could be wrong, but I don't know why it was sent out in the first place since:

    1. The Hospital was already shot down.
    2. It doesn't matter what the residents opinions mean for or against the hospital anyhow in terms of it coming. The HOA does not have majority rule in this case even if the opinions mattered.

    John

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    Got Broadband?
     
  5. joy

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    The survey letter said that the results would be forwarded to the Loudoun County Board of Supervisors. HCA is currently seeking their approval for the Special Exception they need to build a hospital on that site. Originally, they were going to wait until they got the State Health Commision approval, but I guess since that was taking so long they started the local approval as well. Since HCA has gone ahead bought the property outright instead of waiting on contingency of being approved, it is likely they are going to be continually appealing until they get the approvals they need. So, the survey results will be important as they will represent "What Broadlands residents want" to the Board of Supervisors. In the past, this has been characterized as "Broadlands residents don't want the hospital," likely due to the outspoken individuals at meetings. Here's our chance to say if that's true or not. From Stephanie's message, it sounds like the anti-Hospital crowd is worried it is not going to go in their favor. My guess would be it will be mostly don't care, then anti, then pro, but that's just me. I also don't know if people don't care they will return it. But, if the word is "Don't vote" from the anti-hospital people, they can claim the vote was wrong, since they didn't vote. As someone still on the fence, I am going to think it through some more before I send in my survey. But I'm going to send it in and I encourage you to do so. It's nice that the HOA is doing this before saying what "Broadlands homeowners want" on their own.



    --Joy
     
  6. Dang.Yu.Hyung

    Dang.Yu.Hyung New Member

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    I did not receive. Were surveys mailed out only to some residents?
     
  7. Stephanie

    Stephanie New Member

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    If the people counting the votes were not biased, I would not be concerned. Again, I ask would you have let Al Gore or G.W. count the votes in their election? If the HOA wanted to have a true idea of what the community wants, they would have gone about doing a survey in a FAIR and BALANCED way.
     
  8. trb

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    I don't think the HOA was planning to get Rodney Huebbers or Bryan Dearing to count surveys....
     
  9. chris

    chris New Member

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    We received our survey, but two of our neighbors did not. I advised them to contact the HOA. As I stated before, I am troubled that the pro-hospital folks are the one administering the survey. We can only hope that they will have a decent moral code because they have said that they are totally unwilling to have a neutral group come in and do a valid survey.

    On that point, with some people already bringing up that they did not receive a survey, the survey has already been made totally invalid. If the people doing the survey did not make sure that everyone was given a chance to participate, then the results are questionable. The surveys should have been sent via Certified Mail (like mailings from the county about zoning, etc.)
     
  10. joy

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    Has anyone asked to be present when the votes are counted? If you have the time, perhaps that would ease your fears about bias.

    --Joy
     
  11. bike4fun

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    I agree with Joy

    It seems some people are so woried about the vote that they are trying to "throw off" the count be telling people not to respond. It seems if they wanted a tru count they should be working with the counters to make sure all votes are counted correctly.

    Granted I would not want Bush or Gore responsible for count the votes in the last election, but the count would also not be correct if you told people not to vote, then claimed the vote was invalid because some people did not vote.

    The only way a true count can be opbtained is by EVERYONE returning the survey, and by a group of people (supporters and opponent) counting the votes.
     
  12. SK8R

    SK8R On the Clover Meadow

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    I filled it out and mailed it already.
    I am against any hosptial in our neighborhood
     
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    Stephanie,

    For once, I agree with you. If you are not for the hospital, do not send in your survey forms...

    All others, send them in!

     
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    Joy: I volunteer to be present when the votes are counted. Please tell me when and where to show up. One question, though... Who is holding onto the completed surveys when they are submitted (likely someone with the developer or HOA)? Also, what is to keep that person from discarding votes against the hospital? Just to check, I held our sealed response up against a light and could make out that I voted against the hospital.

    I agree with most of the others on here and think that having the HOA and the developer, which are BOTH so pro-ho$pital that is laughable, be in total control of this process completely invalidates the results.

    Also,

    killer_bee in broadands, ashburn, virginia
     
  15. chris

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    Joy, GCry, or anyone else from the HOA or the pro-HCA crowd: Could you please address the following:

    Some Broadlands residents did not receive HCA surveys. How can this survey be trusted if only a select group received the survey?
     
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    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    Stephanie-
    You conspiracy theories are both juvenile and amazing. Rather than even finding out who, how, and where the votes will be counted, you make personal attacks on the character of the Board members YOU HAVE ELECTED and assume we are dishonest.
    Maybe you're right...the survey should not count. We, your elected representatives, will simply state the Broadlands HOA wholeheartedly supports this application. Will that make you happy? We have that right.
    My intent was to have the members of the Broadlands resident hospital task force be present when they are counted. The returned surveys will be held by our General Manager, and will not be opened until they are counted.
    As to why some have not received them, Saturday was the earliest possible date they could have been received. When 2000 letters go out in one batch, it sometimes takes 2-3 business days before they are all received. They were sent to all residences.
    As to why we sent it out, that was explained in the letter. It was requested at an HOA meeting and the audience thought it was a good idea. We believe in following through with our commitments.
    Chris, KillerBee, and Stephanie, you are all welcome to be there. Please send me your contact information. I look forward to meeting you.
    Cliff
     
  17. Stephanie

    Stephanie New Member

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    I did not attack anyone. I urged people not to particpiate in a "survey" process that I see being run by a group that is made up of HCA's best buddies. If anything, I criticized a process and asked a few questions. Based on most of the responses, it appears that quite a few people share the same concerns.

    Your overly defensive comments show that you must be sensitive about how the survey is being handled.
     
  18. chris

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    T8erman: Posting a tongue-in-cheek (TIC) comment that equates "being gay" with "being criminally insane" is damaging and hurtful in itself. However, it also shows that you personally find it acceptable to belittle others (even in a joking way) to further your point.

    If this comment is allowed to remain posted in this Forum , it will show that the HOA and the Administrators allow and support intolerance and bigotry. That will be even sadder. (Unfortuantely, I fear this will fall on deaf ears in ultra-right wing Lo. Co.)
     
  19. Homer Simpson

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    I really don't think Cliff is being overly sensitive. He's blamed if he does and blamed if he doesn't. He has said that you and whomever else wants to be present to count can be. Is that not fair? If you feel so strongly about this then you should be there to count. Then you can also check for tampering. Although tampering with votes that carry no weight other than bragging rights seems to be overkill. There's not much to gain and alot of face to lose if caught.
     
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