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HCA Seeks to Deny Citizens Access to Healthcare

Discussion in 'Broadlands Community Issues' started by chris, Apr 25, 2004.

  1. Brooks5

    Brooks5 New Member

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    msflynn:

    So you've confirmed that someone, for some reason, decided that Broadlands had to accept a mental health facility, without regard to any actual need. That's my point. This isn't about us, it's about someone thrusting something on us that we don't need. I don't understand why this doesn't outrage more people. And I continue to be completely baffled as to why some people are so strongly supportive of this project. We may need more healthcare choices, but I don't think mental health services are among them.

    And I don't know the circumstances of the "binding" proffer, but I'd be willing to bet that no matter what happens to BRMC, there is NO chance a standalone mental hospital will be built here. But that would be something worth debating.
     
  2. vweisenburg

    vweisenburg New Member

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    Brooks5,

    If my postings on the mental health proffer for Broadlands were somehow confused with HCA's proposal for the hospital, then I apologize for insinuating you were lying. Let me clear this issue up since I have been a resident of Broadlands for almost 8 years.

    When the Broadlands development was "put on the books" well before the first house was built, Terrabrook included a "binding proffer" for a 5 acre parcel to be used for mental health services. What form or shape this facility was to take was to be detemined by the developer and the county. As a "binding proffer", only the BOS can approve an exemption to release Broadlands from its requirement to develop a mental health facility.

    HCA decision to include the 40 mental health beds in their application for the hospital would satisfy the terms of the proffer. If HCA was to lose it's bid to develop BRMC, then we are back to the issue that faced Broadlands pre HCA. What kind of mental health facility will be built on the 5 acres? For me, a mental health ward in a controlled facility like BRMC is far less scary than the possibilities for the 5 acre proffer. What if it was an outpatient clinic for drug users? Isn't that more dangerous to our community than the children and teen psych beds that BRMC will contain?
     
  3. Homer Simpson

    Homer Simpson New Member

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    If LHC can change the comprehensive plan then so can we. Why put any mental (besides head shrinkers) in a residential area? This county's planning is pathetic. If that proffer was removed I think you'd see much of the opposition to BRMC evaporate.
     
  4. Pats_fan

    Pats_fan Former Resident

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    I bet you've talked to her. You are certainly entitled to your opinion. I have mine, and everyone else on this forum is entitled to theirs. The pro-hospital crowd doesn't have a monopoly on attacking the other side; there is plenty of that to go around.

    Anyway, chris, it's been entertaining. But now, I tire of this subject. Happy posting, everyone!
     
  5. chris

    chris New Member

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    The HOA and the pro-HCA movement on here appears to support HCA blindly and without question. It appears that they believe that HCA is the cure to all of our woes. Their mantra is: "Oh, only if we had two hospitals side by side in Ashburn, this would be paradise." What makes it better is that they think that HCA is the one to bring about the utopia. Oh, please, has any hospital done more lying, cheating, and stealing than HCA?
    Just from reading the posts by our HOA representatives and the HCA backers, the only opinions that they will let anyone have is THEIR OWN.
    Please keep the stories coming! The pro-HCA crowd's intimidation tactics are not isolated at all. The one thing that everyone should know is that to speak out against the HOA/HCA hospital plans is asking for being attacked.
     
  6. T8erman

    T8erman Well-Known Member

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    Chris, ONCE again, most of us do not care if it is HCA or not. I, and it seems many others just want another option, and soon! You really should seek help about your HCA (or is it because a Republican is on the board?) hatred!
     
  7. chris

    chris New Member

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    Many of you have said that you would support HCA or ANYONE who wanted to build a hospital in the Broadlands. So, if Satan were to show up tomorrow with a glorious new hospital for you, I assume that you would support his plans? Keep in mind that HCA's track record is horrible when it comes to not defrauding the government and taxpayers. So, it's a natural question...
     
  8. T8erman

    T8erman Well-Known Member

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    If Satan ran a good hospital, SURE! :)
     
  9. Homer Simpson

    Homer Simpson New Member

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    I'm sure it would be hellishly efficient, but do they take Aetna? And do you get to keep your soul? I'm not real good at fiddling....

    ;)
     
  10. chris

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    That's good to know, T8. (If I were going to "spin" your admission I would say that the hospital supporters are devil-worshippers now. But I don't have to "spin" anything that the pro-hospital crowd says -- your own comments speak for themselves.)

    Of course, keep in mind that HCA does not run "a good hospital." Quite the opposite in fact -- HCA settled the largest ever hospital fraud settlement with the government after stealing from the government, seniors, and America's taxpayers for YEARS. Satan would be proud!
     
  11. msflynn

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    Brooks5 as I promised here is the break down I have of services and beds. Now this infomation is from the origional COPN application so some of it has changed as the PSYCH beds were reduced and OB GYN services were added. The services provided are Medical surgical beds, ICU unit, operating rooms emergency dept, labor and delivery (just added) child and adolescent mental health, cardiac cathererization, cardiac services, ventilator services, lithotrypsy, cancer care, out patient services and lab/ diagnostic services. the bed break down that I have 70 medical surgical, 40 psych beds, 16 ICU and 34 progressive care. I do not know where labor and delivery now fits in to this now but I can see what I can find out.
    As far as the mental health beds being forced on us, yeah sort of but you need to talk to the BOS about that. It was a conssesion that the developer made in order to be able to even build our development. Just as the fire station, library, senior center, comercial development areas, even the number and size of our pools all of this is controlled by the county and the BOS. As of right now only the senior center is in the planning, but because the BOS saw mental health as a need for this area the therfore proffered it. What this basically means that 5 acres minimum needs to be set aside and it cannot be developed for any other purpose. Now if the hospital's adolesent mental health can fulfull that proffer then maybe our 5 acres can be freed up for some other use. I would be very happy to suggest some kind of open park space or ball field I think that would really add to the community or if anybody has any other suggestion I would be happy to listen.

    Staci
     
  12. trb

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    "Never wrestle with a pig, it just gets you both muddy, and the pig enjoys it"

    (Just seemed to apply to this forum)
     
  13. Wick

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    Finally, some sanity around here :) Very nice quote!
     
  14. MaryJo

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    Very good quote! It's the whole point behind why I don't want HCA in the Broadlands. Why let in swine? But I am willing to fight them.
     
  15. chris

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    Staci: I would advise you not to trust what HCA has "promised" you. The company has a long track record of lying and defrauding. What they "promise" to have and NOT have is not legally binding. For example, HCA could easily add a slew of inpatient beds for mentally and criminally insane adults AFTER they get their new hospital built here. They could also add a fleet of helicopters, incinerators spewing pollution, and abortion services bringing protesters into the Broadlands. In one word, that would make all of their supporters on the HOA and otherwise: bamboozled.
     
  16. Pats_fan

    Pats_fan Former Resident

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    I know I said I was done with this thread, but here goes...

    I have been bothered by the thought that members of our community would get "hate mail" and other attacks just because they oppose (or, apparently, support) the hospital.

    I have said all along that I am generally in favor of more health care choices for Loudoun County and therefore generally support BRMC, but that I am willing to be convinced otherwise. Well, evidence of these attacks could convince me otherwise.

    chris and MaryJo: you both claim to have seen some of this hate mail. I would like to as well, in order to assess (reassess?) my support for the hospital. Could one of you e-mail it to me? I assume you must have scanned it or something, because MaryJo had already seen this "hate mail" only one day after becoming a member of the forums and becoming involved in this issue.

    Thanks!
     
  17. Homer Simpson

    Homer Simpson New Member

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    A little jaunt off topic: Chris, bamboozled? As in "I've been Bamboozled!" that Richard Hatch said when he was voted off Survivor All Stars?
     
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    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

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    Pat I too would be concerned if hate mail existed, but I must say, I think it will turn out to be an urban legend. That might be giving it too much credibility. Consider the source.

     
  19. Pats_fan

    Pats_fan Former Resident

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    I hope that's not the case, afgm. I will be the first to admit that I believe chris twists and exploits the posts on these forums to suit her needs, but I have not yet seen evidence of outright lying.

    Besides, MaryJo corroborated chris' accusations about the hate mail, didn't she? If the hate mail doesn't exist, we either have to conclude that MaryJo is also lying, or that perhaps chris "is" MaryJo under an assumed Member name.

    Of course, I'm not willing to make any of these accusations. I'm willing to give chris and MaryJo the benefit of the doubt, and eagerly await their response.

    In my opinion, this is not a small issue. As you are well aware, these forums are frequented by non-residents of Broadlands. Accusations of hate mail and threats reflect badly on our community as a whole. I would hate to think that someone would defame our community by making this stuff up just to prove a point.
     
  20. Homer Simpson

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    If true this is very disturbing. There is no way to get phone numbers w/o them being posted in the user's bio. Neither Chris nor MaryJo have email, phone or address listed so how is this happening?
     

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