1. Yes, it's a whole new look! Have questions or need help? Please post your question in the New Forum Questions thread Click the X to the right to dismiss this notice
    Dismiss Notice
  2. Seeing tons of unread posts after the upgrade? See this thread for help. Click the X to the right to dismiss this notice
    Dismiss Notice

HOA Mail-In Survey about HCA

Discussion in 'Broadlands Community Issues' started by Forum Administrator, Dec 11, 2003.

  1. Forum Administrator

    Forum Administrator Member Forum Staff

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2001
    Messages:
    247
    Likes Received:
    6
    Let's continue our discussion about the HOA Surveys here. Thanks!
     
  2. Dang.Yu.Hyung

    Dang.Yu.Hyung New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2003
    Messages:
    43
    Likes Received:
    0
    I did not get survey in mail. Can I get online?
     
  3. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2002
    Messages:
    5,281
    Likes Received:
    344
    Dang-
    It is not on line. You should have received one by now. If not, contact Wes Schroeder at 729-9711 and he can get you one.
    Cliff
     
  4. chris

    chris New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2003
    Messages:
    385
    Likes Received:
    0
    Cliff: I encouraged two neighbors who still have not gotten surveys as of today to contact Wes. It is a little concerning though that some people did not receive surveys. To be very clear, I'm not saying that there is foul play or a vast conspiracy involved, but could the list have left off some people inadvertently? If so, some people's voices may not be heard, which would harm the fairness and validity of the survey. Just a point, and I'm not trying to incite a riot or fan any anti-HOA sentiments. (Enough people probably already hate me on here because I believe in being kind to and respectful of others and support the hospital, so I cannot afford any more ill will.)

    Also, thanks for the invitation to help count votes. That was very generous. I may take you up on that (I'll call you if I do), but I think that Donna could easily represent the views of those who have heartfelt concerns and questions about HCA.
     
  5. Homer Simpson

    Homer Simpson New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2002
    Messages:
    1,361
    Likes Received:
    0
    I don't hate you I just don't think those comments were out of line in the context.
     
  6. chris

    chris New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2003
    Messages:
    385
    Likes Received:
    0
    Well at least there is one person who doesn't hate me. That's a step in the right direction. I still think, however, that is demeaning and degrading to even make a joke about such matters, but there's no need to argue the matter any further. I respect your right to have a differing opinion, but I just think that our society is violent and hateful enough as it is. Just think--our country is killing kids in Afghanistan and Iraq almost daily. Even a small step toward civility and tolerance may eventually make the world a better place.
     
  7. Homer Simpson

    Homer Simpson New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2002
    Messages:
    1,361
    Likes Received:
    0
    I hope you don't honestly believe that our troops enjoy doing that. It's self defense. This should be on another thread if you want to discuss further.
     
  8. MD_boy

    MD_boy New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2003
    Messages:
    314
    Likes Received:
    0
    Here we go again



    "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."
    - Henry Louis Mencken (1880-1956
     
  9. Mr. Linux

    Mr. Linux Senior Member & Moderator Forum Staff

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2001
    Messages:
    3,277
    Likes Received:
    69
    Please, let's keep the topic of this thread about what it was originally intended for; The HOA Mail-In Survey about HCA.

    Thanks!

    Mr. Linux
    ------------------------------------------------
    Got Broadband?
    Yea, REALLY SOON now!
     
  10. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2002
    Messages:
    5,281
    Likes Received:
    344
    Chris-
    The surveys were mailed out by Armstrong Management. They use the same data base as when they send out coupon books, newsletters, etc.
    NO HOA employee or Board member had anything to do with mailing them out.
    For those that did not get one, check with your spouse, kids, etc to see if they brought in the mail and did something with it.
    I hope you can help count them. Based on the response, it may take a while!
    Cliff
     
  11. T8erman

    T8erman Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2003
    Messages:
    5,236
    Likes Received:
    249
    Chris - I do not hate you either. But... :)
     
  12. chris

    chris New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2003
    Messages:
    385
    Likes Received:
    0
    Thanks for the information about the mailing, Cliff. I just hope that everyone got a survey, but there seems to be no way to verify that because the surveys were not sent via Certified Mail. So, we will never know who got what. It makes this effort a little more invalid, but I guess nothing is perfect.

    Homer, because this is not the right thread, I'll just say that I agree with you. Ihave family in the military, and I support them and all our troops. I know that they did not choose to go over there and would come back in a heartbeat. What is happening there is not their fault.

    T8erman: I'm glad that you don't hate me! The feeling is mutual. :)
     
  13. GCyr

    GCyr New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2002
    Messages:
    459
    Likes Received:
    0
    Chris,

    What survey have you ever received by Certified Mail? I cannot imagine anyone, let alone our HOA, paying that expense for a survey. And, when no one was home to sign the receipt, would you like standing in line at the Post Office with several hundred other residents to pick up your survey. I can hear the uproar now if someone had to go to all that trouble just to pick up a survey.

    Let's be realistic here. The survey form was mailed to HOA members just like every other piece of mail and the expectation of delivery is the same as every other piece of mail.

     
  14. chris

    chris New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2003
    Messages:
    385
    Likes Received:
    0
    GCyr:

    My point is that the process that was used did not ensure that everyone received a survey. So, what we have is a set of disenfranchised voters, and you are saying that their voices just do not count. I guess that is acceptable to you, but I find it fundamentally unfair and unjust to say that the views of some do not count as much as your own.
     
  15. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2002
    Messages:
    5,281
    Likes Received:
    344
    Also be aware that it can take up to 60 days from the time of settlement to the time that Armstrong Management gets the names and addressed of new residents. This was the case for a few residents that called the HOA office about not receiving a survey.
     
  16. Mearen

    Mearen New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2003
    Messages:
    155
    Likes Received:
    0
    Aww, I wanted to cry foul since we just moved in 2 weeks ago. [:p]
     
  17. GCyr

    GCyr New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2002
    Messages:
    459
    Likes Received:
    0
    Chris,

    Excuse me, but where did I say "that their voices just do not count"? Nothing I said comes close to that -- just stick to the facts please. Also, you never answered my question about surveys, probably because you never received one via certified mail.

    What process can you suggest would ensure that 100% of the HOA residents were on some list that could be used to mail surveys? Do you only count current residents, or include people who just signed a contract for new construction, or include people who completed their pre-drywall inspection, etc?

    Cliff said Armstrong Management sent out the surveys based on their list of HOA residents (which is used to bill the HOA fees), so that's probably as close as anyone can get unless someone wanted to do further research for the other pending new residents I mentioned in the previous paragraph. Of course, by the time anyone finished that research, they'd have to double-check to make sure no one else fell within that window while they were finalizing the list, etc., etc. Otherwise, someone (maybe you?) would say the HOA missed their friend who just signed a contract for new construction or just moved in yesterday and they opposed the hospital. And ask, how come they didn't get a survey?


     
  18. chris

    chris New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2003
    Messages:
    385
    Likes Received:
    0
    GCyr: You seemed not to care about some people not being surveyed. So, that makes me think that you don't care that their voices are not being heard. That's a logical deduction.

    For all I know, the people who did not get surveyed could be hospital supporters. So, I am not saying anything to benefit those who have concerns about HCA...

    That said, I would have preferred a Certified Mail survey, where it could be validated that every resident had been given an equal chance to vote. Anything less than that means that some people's views will not be heard, and that is a true shame. The views of all residents should be given the same value.
     
  19. JenCo

    JenCo New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2003
    Messages:
    749
    Likes Received:
    2
    Oh.
    My.
    Lanta.

    All I know is, my happy little tush would not have braved the post office lines in the middle of the holiday season for a certified letter. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels the same. So how would that be more accurate than snail mail?

    Some people got it, some didn't. Some who got it won't respond. Again, not 100% accurate. Unless we expect the HOA board to go knocking on every single Broadlands residents' door and camp out till they get an answer, I think they did the best that could be done.

    Sick of the topic.[xx(]
     
  20. chris

    chris New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2003
    Messages:
    385
    Likes Received:
    0
    Why in the world did the survey need to be sent around the holidays? You would not have needed to stand in a line and be chilly if the survey had been sent certified during a warmer month.

    An unreliable survey is just that -- unreliable.
     

Share This Page