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INOVA Petitions Found to be Fraudulent

Discussion in 'Broadlands Community Issues' started by afgm, Dec 15, 2008.

  1. afgm

    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

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  2. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    and again Donna tries to play the ignorant card...

    'there were 9 people..' helping her. Whatever - Accountability, ever heard of it Donna?

    The play dumb game sours after the first 15 or so times.
     
  3. afgm

    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

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    9 people, I wonder what they got paid per hour? Actually, I bet Donna saying there was 9 people was also a lie. Most likely 9 people at Kinkos. That would make more sense.
     
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    mwb2218 New Member

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    I find the '9 people quote' extremely funny. Imagine telling you mgt your work was not completely accurate because you had 9 people helping you.
    I wonder what they would say? :pofl:
     
  5. Chsalas

    Chsalas Active Member

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    So this investigation was done by a "journalist" who covers "trends, gossip, politics, and general goings-on in and around LoCo". The term fraudulent is a bit inaccurate, if you read the entire story, I would say dramatic or even unorganized but fraudulent is an overstatment.
     
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    Mazinger New Member

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    For someone like Donna, who's so passionate about this hospital and has already had issues with the list, you'd think she'd double check and triple check the list for any errors before presenting it to the board.
     
  7. Donna F

    Donna F New Member

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    I love how this entire thing spins out of control from those hiding behind anonymity. Right or wrong I put myself out there for something I believe in... I know you want to believe that those petitions are not legitimate, but they are...signed by thousands of residents against this location. I did not try to place blame on others by saying 9 people helped compile them, that is the truth. Try as you might to discredit them or me, duplications or not, those petitions still speak to Broadlands being the wrong location.
     
  8. Mr. Linux

    Mr. Linux Senior Member & Moderator Forum Staff

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    Sorry Charles, but if I'm going to 'represent' a group, and formally present documentation to a government entity, with pretty bows no less, I make a concerted effort to make sure there are no discrepancies. This is especially true when you've been called for doing this at least a half dozen times in the past and publicly ridiculed for doing it.

    I view this as the same thing as responding to an RFP at work. We get a team together, we all have tasks and work together in order to produce a quality proposal. During that process, there are multiple reviews of the contents in order to make sure there are no discrepancies. These 'errors' weren't small things that could have fallen through the cracks; 21 IDENTICAL LETTERS from the same woman is not a simple mistake. One journalist was able to find all these issues with the petitions. ONE PERSON. Donna had *9* people working with her and they were not able to find these? I would have been fired a LONG TIME ago if I did stuff like this, multiple times no less.

    Sorry Charles, but I think you're giving Donna and her team WAY too much leeway here. Donna presented these petitions in grand fashion and according to the article made the statement "They are legitimate." She put her reputation on the line and it turns out that she made a very incorrect statement to the Board of Supervisors. Did she know about the discrepancies? Personally, I can't see how she did not know about all these errors (my personal opinion). It seems to me that she either made NO effort to verify what she was presenting, or she knew exactly what she was doing and didn't care. Either way, what she did is considered fraudulent in MY opinion.

    Erica Garman, the reporter and author of the article, said that Broadlands Residents for BRMC found a bunch of discrepancies. She could have went with that and wrote her article, but she went out and verified the facts herself and found the very same issues, errors and discrepancies. You turn around dismiss this and label her as "a 'journalist' who covers "trends, gossip, politics, and general goings-on in and around LoCo. So, what are you saying? We should take Erica's findings with a grain of salt? We should discount her article because she ACTUALLY RESEARCHED THE ISSUE? :screwy:

    Personally, I wouldn't associate myself with Donna or defend her right now. Not after this fiasco...

    Charles, I consider you a friend and an active and important part of our community, especially with all the things you do behind the scenes. I'm just at a loss as to how you frequently come to Donna's defense, even after some of her nonsensical actions...
     
  9. Mr. Linux

    Mr. Linux Senior Member & Moderator Forum Staff

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    Don't you realize that because you never checked, double-checked and re-checked what you were presenting, you discredited your own petition and wasted the time and effort of all the folks who helped you put that together? I know you honestly believe in that stack of petitions, but you presented it to the Board and they see that it has no credibility, regardless of the fact that it contains *some* valid entries. Your actions were labeled as 'theater' by the folks you're trying to influence. I think your passion is overshadowing your common sense...

    Instead of describing your 'passion' about the issue, you should be apologizing to your group, to the people who signed your petitions, to your letter writers and to everyone who helped you put all that stuff together. You wasted their time and in my opinion, actually HURT your/their cause.
     
  10. lilpea

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    Since Ms Fortier went on the public record and stated to elected officials:

    “new petitions and letters that have been gathered since the beginning of this year. These are thousands of residents who are voicing their opposition to this location by signing their names to these documents. They are legitimate.”

    It would be interesting for Donna Fortier or members of the Concerned Citizens of Broadlands to explain:

    Why are there names of people who have passed away either this year or several years ago in Donna's words "new petition & letters", people such as:

    Mr. Al Van Metre
    Ms. Pat Devine (wife to Donald Devine)
    Ms. Barbara Dutton

    Or the names of HCA employees:

    Tracy White
    Bill Adams (CEO of Reston HCA Hospital)

    How about the 35+ names of BB&T employees

    Is there any explaination from Ms. Fortier or CCoB concerning the inclusion of 700+ returned postcards which state support for BRMC.

    Many of these also had been stamped with the word EVIDENCE. Could this have been the postcards HCA originally gave to the BoS in 2002 prior to the lawsuit?

    Clearly these details would make Ms. Fortier’s statement to the BoS fraught with inaccuracies and teetering on the line of fraudulent.
     
  11. Donna F

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    Apparently you did not read the letter to the editor explaining the confusion between the OLD petitions given only to Stevens and the new petitions (given to all members of the BOS) gathered from the beginning of this year. No further explaination needed.
     
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    Could you give us a link to the letter to the editor you mention so we can read it?
     
  13. lilpea

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    Sure I read your letter (in the Independent) and the Package is STILL in question. Folks who have been around long enough know the lengths Inova will go to stop the BRMC project.

    Seriously you and your organization used DEAD people's names to inflate the petition numbers. Inova and you have sunk to an all time low.

    So before you use the "poor me" card, which has become trite and predictable.
    Remember people are not attempting to discredit you, its your own actions that do it all on their own.
     
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    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

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    Shove it off to the side! Doesn't INOVA get it! You can't do that anymore. When you have destroyed all credibility you need to be extra careful and make sure you don't get into hot water like they did. The tactics wore out a "benefit of the doubt" years ago. Then to do the same thing AGAIN. It's actually becoming comical.

    What INOVA doesn't get is we all tried to help them out. How many times have we told you, that list was a load of crap? How many times did we try to tell you it lacked integrity? How many times did we tell you it was a reflection on INOVA's integrity? How many times did people ask to have their names removed from the list? Typical. For goodness sake Scott York was on the list! You mean to tell me no one caught that huge error? Geez, try to help out someone and they blame it on you.

    Oh by the way, let me help INOVA out some more. Don't try to explain this, every time you do it gets worse. Think about an appology not a lame excuse. Just admit it, the names are bogus. And then go and apologize to those who did sign with intentions of showing they were against the hospital. You have done them a great dis-service.

     
  16. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    Okay, so let's consider Donna's explanation.
    Why is it that she turned in cards of support for BRMC?
    Why is it that several people I have personally spoken to on the list have NEVER been in contact with HCA, Inova, or Donna about this issue?
    Why would hundreds and hundreds of people who do not live in Loudoun County be requesting information on the CPAM?
    Why do dozens and dozens of entries have "none specified" listed under the name?
    Why is "Chief" listed under name for almost all of the Fire Stations in the county?
    Are we to believe that Chairman York had to sign up with Inova to learn about the CPAM that he would be voting on?
    In my opinion, a MAILING LIST was turned in as representing opposition to BRMC.

    You know, most of us have been taught, and teach our children, a lesson:
    Tell the truth. If you don't and are caught, admit to the mistake. Do not tell more untruths to cover up the original one. Because, eventually, it will spin out of control and you will look foolish.
     
  17. Mr. Linux

    Mr. Linux Senior Member & Moderator Forum Staff

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    Donna, is it your formal statement that the petitions reviewed by Broadlands Residents for BRMC and reporter Erica Garman were the OLD stack and not the ones presented to all members of the BoS (the stack of nine)?

    Have you contacted Erica Garman asking her about this or are you simply speculating here? Why did you not make this statement to Erica when she contacted you for comment? Did you ask her what stack she evaluated?

    Erica's article states that some signatures didn't have a date, while others did. So it's pretty simple; if the petitions that Erica and BRforBRMC evaluated had signatures with a 2008 date next to them, I would assume that they were reviewing the 'new' petitions. And if the errors that were noted were on those petitions, well your 'excuse' is once again flawed...

    Regardless of the NEW stack, the old stack of petitions that you have been promoting for the past few years had DEAD people's names on it, it had non-existant people on it, etc. And you STILL distributed that original list as proof and as a representation of how all of Broadlands feels about the hospital. Why should we expect your 'new' list to be any different?
     
  18. afgm

    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

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    OK, so I read the graveling letter. So which is it Donna? Honest question.

    Was the errors caused by "nine people were assisting Donna in pulling all the information together" or was it a mistake created by the second stack of papers given to Miller?

    Let's see you're choices again, are:

    1. It was York's fault
    2. It was Miller's fault.
    3. It was the blogger's fault.
    4. It was the 9 reviewers fault.
    5. It was the newspaper's fault.
    6. It was the coroner's fault. (didn't let us know the people were dead)
    7. It was anonymous blogger's fault.
    8. It was HCA's fault.
    9. It was Broadlands HOAs fault
    10. It was the sheer volume of bogus signatures at fault.

    (All are excuses used in the past)

    Did you ever stop and think, maybe just maybe, it was INOVA's fault.
     
  19. Chsalas

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    Eric
    I too value our friendship and I appreciate all you have helped me with in the past and hopefully in the future. I just find it appalling that anyone that has an opinion different from other members of this forum (I'll forgo calling anyone out) that they are berated and crucified by people here. The article was less than substantial and several people started down the "Donna F" is a lair path. She has an opinion, and she works for INOVA, OK we get it. Others that are pro BMRC are never treated as bad as those against. The preception is that HCA owns Broadlands, and anyone against HCA will be dealt with accordingly by those who don't want to "upset" HCA's plan. It's inequatably the way people act and if the moderators don't stop it before it starts then it seems that there is a background agenda.


    I've said my peace.
     
  20. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    So we should moderate people because they may be passionate for one thing but not another?? :rolleyes:

    How about.. we ensure people act in an honest, and up front manner. We'll leave the impressions people make alone to be a function of someone's actions and the eye of the beholder.

    Being biased isn't an offense nor should it be anything someone is 'moderated' for. Being deceptive, misleading, and untruthful are things entirely different.

    Most of the 'crucifying' I've seen here over the years is of those who can not stand on their own platform.
     

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