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Loudoun losing It's Brain Power

Discussion in 'General Chat Forum' started by Lee, Feb 18, 2008.

  1. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    I never said you were ignorant.....just that your post was asinine. If you think hospitals can dictate what insurance companies will pay based on how much money it costs to build a hospital, then I stand by my statement.
    I'll bet you didn't even know that the state dictates an upper limit as to how much can be spent to build a hospital.

    And since you weren't at any such HOA meeting, you don't know what you are talking about (again).
    But since you seem to want to know, no such thing was stated.
    No discussion about steps and handrails took place.
    What was said was that a homeowner must verify the county as to what height would require a railing around a deck.
    Sounds like pretty good advice to me.
     
  2. Lee

    Lee Permanent Vacation

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    Came from one of your hoa board members;)
     
  3. Silence Dogood99

    Silence Dogood99 New Member

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    Where do you come up with this stuff? This is the thought process of a first grader. Seriously.
     
  4. Lee

    Lee Permanent Vacation

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    When you spend millions of extra dollars fighting to build on an site that was voted down by the BOS. ANd I am sure they will contnue to spend huge sums of money to try to build there.

    Silence you are talking naive to think it is not going to come from the patients when way or another. And since the people with the health insurance are going to be most of their patients it eventually comes from the insurance companies. 101 business somebody is going to pay for all the money used to fight to build this hospitals and who will that be eventually the patients health insurance.
     
  5. Lee

    Lee Permanent Vacation

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    There is also an full page in the Washington Post today coming out against this hospital site and rezoning it.
     
  6. mwb2218

    mwb2218 New Member

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    Lee- I missed that article. Can you send the link to us or are you getting it confused with the full page ad paid by INOVA, (which the cost of which will cause INOVA to charge more for their services and it will come out of the patients and blah blah blah blah blah)
     
  7. T8erman

    T8erman Well-Known Member

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    Lee, you just happened to mention the 30' inch requirement and I said I thought it was 36" as a homeowner had recently brought it up in one of our meetings.

    Regardless of that, it is not the HOA's responsibilty to dictate County codes. It is the resposibility of the homeowner to ensure that THEY follow the code(s). It is not the HOA who does the final inspection, it is the County and we are NOT involved.

    AGAIN - it is the HOMEOWNERS responsibility to adhere to the codes and it is the COUNTY's responsibility to enforce it.

    Did you notice in that last statement that there was NO MENTION of HOA involvement with the actual codes? ;)
     
  8. Lee

    Lee Permanent Vacation

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    T8 I probably should of not brought that up, but Cliff loves to call people all kinds of names when they don't agree with him or calling them names indirectly when he does not like what they say at times. Or snide remarks about others. I like Cliff and he does do an thankless job on the HOA board but you need to have an tough skin when you are in that public position. You don't see our County Supervisors in their very public position throwing out remarks when they disagree or don't like an statement.

    The handrail debate seems timely weird because this happen in our neighborhood and they did not enforce it across the board. The rules should always be across the board.

    As far as the hospital hca is now forcing the other hospital to spend money for other then healthcare to defend their area. This is what happens when you pick an controversial site and try to cannibalize off the existing hospital.
     
  9. Silence Dogood99

    Silence Dogood99 New Member

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    Lee, no one here (besides Gryphon) whines and cries, and acts like a martyr, more than you do...when all people are doing is pointing out how inane your comments are.

    Like the one above. So now it is HCA who is FORCING iNova to try to eliminate competition in the area? How can ANYONE take you seriously when you make comments like this?
     
  10. T8erman

    T8erman Well-Known Member

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    Actually, in the latest post Cliff did not call you a name, he said your post was assinine. Big difference in my opinion. Remember, attack the post, not the poster. ;)

    Again - It is not an HOA's responsibility to enforce code.

    HCA is not forcing Inova to do anything. Inova wants as much of a monopoly as they can keep, THAT is why they are spending money. And for someone who is "undecided" you sure STILL have only negative things to say.
     
  11. gunzour

    gunzour "Living on the Edge"

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    You have it backwards. Prices are set based on what the market will bear. They will do (or already have done) a financial analysis to determine whether the potential revenue from the hospital is worth the cost of pursuing it. That financial analysis is based on existing pricing trends. They are not going to change their pricing forecasts to make up for extra costs unless they like to be "creative" (i.e. they would be lying to themselves over the potential profitability of a Broadlands Hospital).
     
  12. Lee

    Lee Permanent Vacation

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    The hospital was VOTED DOWN.

    That is the bottom line. ANd the new BOS was voted in to keep the zoning substantially the way it is.
    They really should build an mini hospital here and on rt 50 at the same time. And not allow the Broadlands hospital to expand from mini status until the rt 50 hospital grows to a full blown hospital. THe HCA is doing an con job on you all and you are buying it.

    They have land reserved that is not included in the full build out. ANd they con you all that full build out is all they will ever do. They took out the heliport but have every intention was they get the foot in the door to bring it back. Example an developer just recently took out a bunch of mature trees that was there as an buffer. Why it was the old developer con job once you get the foot in the door you so of create situations to get what you wanted in the beginning. SO what happened here. Only an guess but once they stated building their heavy equipment kind of accidentally on purpose cut into the root system of these buffer trees so the trees would be damaged enough to take down like they wanted in the first place. So once they got their foot in the door they ended up what they wanted any way. Better visuals of their buildings from the main road by getting rid of the mature buffer in an sneaky way. Can it be proved. Not very easily because they were very clever how they went about it. Destroying the roots from an legitimate distance from the trees by digging the parking area. And not protecting the trees root system that extended into their property. They never wanted these trees there and after construction they were able to legitimately kill them and did nothing to protect those unwanted trees roots. Don't think that is a far stretch it is not but almost impossible to prove. The hospital is doing the same thing and will use again getting zoning changes for their future expansion beyond this initial build out. Once the hospital is there nothing will stop them from getting future zoning changes to build far beyond this intial build out. THe red flag is an large reserve piece of land sitting on the corner broadlands and belmont right across from the recently built $900,000 plus homes. It will look nice until one day in the future it gets clear cut and an potential 100 foot building goes up on that corner that is not in any proposal they have on the table. Nobody saves that large a piece of land unless they plan to build something on it. Bottom line hospital almost always expand eventually far beyond their original vision of what they want the public to know initially. Office complexes would almost never expand beyond what the land is zoned for they just go and build somewhere else. Hospitals because of the nature of what they are will go to extreme lengths to expand when they need to they never move. Look at the extreme lengths this hospital is going through to just get the original hospital built. That shows you they will do the same extreme measures for expansion beyond their original build out when the time comes. Get the foot in the door then comes the hilpad later then comes expansion beyond what they are telling us. It always does. Look at every hospital around here they are always expanding and expanding no matter what they tell us their original vision is.
     
  13. Lee

    Lee Permanent Vacation

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    I will add the hospital should build an massing model of the entire build out and roads and homes and the school building and Clyde's. Massing models are done all the time and they need not be very detailed just how the mass and shape of the buildings without any time consuming detail added. THen for the detail part do an animated video.

    This way the public can see if this development will or will no infringe on the adjoining homes both on the broadlands side and the farms side. Takes all the guess work out for the public to see the true impact on the adjoining residences.
     
  14. T8erman

    T8erman Well-Known Member

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    Lee, honestly sugar, you HAVE to let it go.

    We all know your postion AD NAUSEAM regarding the hospital.
     
  15. Lee

    Lee Permanent Vacation

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    Well that is what happens when you are sitting here like me designing an new development. And the forums like this one is my only break from designing.:happygrin:

    T8 you sound like my mechanic friend who come over to my home ater looking at my car that I wanted to save and keep running. He put his arm around me and said """ Lee you need to let this car go, it is costing you way too much money for what is worth. He said """Lee I will help you through this but it is time to let it go the car needs to die in dignity. The time has come to let go and I will help through it buddy. """""""" ha ha ha ha that is a true story and T8 have you been talking to my mechanic also about me, you are saying the same thing??????? :pofl::pofl::pofl:
     
  16. T8erman

    T8erman Well-Known Member

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    I can understand taking breaks. I do most of my posting from work when I have kicked off an automated process.

    I want the hospital because it provides another choice. And I am the type that likes choices. I am going to leave it to the courts and approved or not, I am not going to lose any sleep over it.
     
  17. Lee

    Lee Permanent Vacation

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    Oh by the way today feb 24th is National Obnoxious Day :happygrin:
     
  18. Silence Dogood99

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    It must feel special to have a day named in your honor, Lee! Good for you :)
     
  19. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    No, it didn't. He's a member of the Modification Subcommittee.
    I was at the meeting so I know what was said.
     
  20. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    No, Lee, calling people names, putting false statements in other people's mouths, accusing others of hidden agendas...these are things YOU do.
    You've even apologized for it on these Forums. But I'm sure you don't recall it.
    Sorry, but if you are going to make ridiculous posts based on no facts, I'm going to call it out.
    Notice I usually provide facts to support my side of the argument. Facts that you continue.
    And I will not refrain from speaking my mind regardless of whether I'm on an HOA Board or not. If Broadlands residents don't like it, they are free to vote for someone else should I choose to run again.
    Don't confuse calling you out on your comments or correcting you with facts as having a "thin skin." On the contrary, it appears you're the one with thin skin because you don't seem to like being challenged on your comments.
     

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