Non-residents on Broadlands swim team

I heard that there is a wait list for Broadlands' residents to get on the swim team, yet there are non-residents on the team already. What's up with that?

 

I don't think it's an exclusive team only to the Broadlands. I find it hard that there is a wait list, it's so freakin huge, they have 2 division.

 

You are right for the last 4 years it has not been exclusive to just Broadlands residents however to my knowledge there has never been a resident who did not have a spot that wanted one. Also residents have always been allowed several weeks to registere before any outside people could and those outside members had to 1st purchase outside passes
As of last week, my understanding is both teams are at capacity and there are several residents wait listed on both.

Just so there is no confusion, this is something that i am totally against but the CSL board disagreed with my interpretation and felt that it needed to be taken before the HOA board. On Tuesday the HOA board heard CSL's argument and basically decide to allow them to proceed as is for this year but asked that the wait listed residents be placed on the full roster. If this had not happened there would still be 15 spots for any residents who had not yet decided their summer plans or who end up moving in in the next few months. Unfortunalty I was not at the meeting because of a family emergency so I can not tell you why the board proceeded this way. I am sure Cliff can explain.
I have and always will believe that the swim teams are here for the residents 1st The intrest with in the community continues to grow and and I think this will be the 1st steps in turning people away.

Staci

 

I attended the HOA meeting and it was my understanding that one team has 22 on a wait list and those are all Broadlands Residents. The other team increased to 195 members, allowing 4 or 5 open spots, but CSL has a cut off date of April 10th for B'land residents.

On a sidenote and as a resident I was shocked at how RUDE the CSL's person was to the other team leaders during this long discussion. At one point I heard him tell the two ladies to "shut the hell up" during the HOA meeting. Absolutely shocking and pretty disrespectful.

 

Man things are more confusing than when I used to swim. What does purchasing outside passes have to do with getting on the swim team? Or do you mean purchasing swim team membership? I don't get what the big deal is though, they use Broadlands owned pools paid for by Broadlands residents. I'm guessing there is a deadline or something that past and the Broadlands residents that are now wait listed signed up after it?

 

For Non Broadlands swimteam members as per their By-laws, they HAVE to buy pool a pass (kind of like buying 'swim time') in conjunction with the cost with swim team.

The issue of the deadline is the CSL team (and maybe the other team) did NOT have any deadline stated in by-laws and they have exceeded the original 185 spots. By increasing to 195 they have a little wiggle room for more members.

I think it is a given Broadlands residents should have Priority for the open slots.

 

I heard that the CSL and ther other Team leaders were "at odds" with each other. I personally would just cancel the entire league, if parents are going to act this way, then why enable them to have a fourm in which their behavior will be propogated into their children. I know, don't punish everyone for the acts of a few, but this is ridiculus.


FYI, I don't have any children or anything to do with the swim team, other than the fact that they f-- up Villiage drive on days they have compititions at Southernwalk Pool.

 

I've been on swim team for a few years and while CSL has had non-residents before (ODSL has not they reach their max before they open it up to non-residents) the team always waited until much closer to the start of swim season to open it up to non-residents making sure to accommodate residents first. If there's still room then great--c'mon and join! I would hope we wouldn't turn away Broadlands residents and allow non-residents on the team, and from my understanding of what's happened that is the case this year. I was just curious as to why the policy changed this year? Was it for the revenue of the pool passes?

 

I didn't think the outside pool passes were even for sale yet, or how many are even available. Does the HOA tell the swim team they get a certain number or something and these people get priority over non-swim team outside members? Or do they just tell them if there are some available, they get on the list to buy them - if not they cant get on the team?

 

There is no particular date/deadline stated. However, in the past, residents had until April (I think) to register, prior to registration opening up to non-residents. The point is that this year the CSL team allowed non-residents to register at the same time as residents - which is in violation of the by-laws. The non-residents should not have been allowed to register so soon.

The CSL president who exhibited this poor behavior should be subject to his own "code of conduct" which he has team members sign, promising to act in an appropriate, civil, and respectful manner. The penalty is dismissal or suspension from the team. In my own experience as a team member and volunteer I am aware of his condescending manner to women and I think it is intolerable.

 

I heard that the CSL team broke their by-laws to allow a non-resident to register for their team before they had their non-resident pool membership.

Not sure how accurate that is, but if it's true then some residents are missing out, and that's a shame because from what I hear the swim team is a great experience for our kids.

 

In the past the HOA has always given the list of persons who have purchased outside memberships to the swim team. The swim team then contacts these new members and they have an opportunity to join the team IF there are still spots available. Seeing as how we have not sold ANY outside memberships how can these people be on the swim team. The HOA has not granted any of them access to the pool yet and they have not signed any of the HOA waivers.

 

Staci - let me say it was SHOCKING to hear the CSL President speak to another resident & Team Leader of the other swim team in this manner. I was so appauled at what I witnessed I mentioned it to Cliff (after the meeting).

Unfortunately due to distance Cliff didn't hear it, he only heard the lady (from the other swimteam) say..."you told me to shut up and I am trying to answer the question".

Regardless it made for a rather uncomfortable situation as the two teams aired their disfunction during the HOA meeting.

 

I don't understand why our HOA voted to allow CSL to register non-residents and take slots away from residents who want to be on the team. Why is it ok for residents to be on the waiting list while non-residents get to compete?

 

The two teams split at the end of last summer to alleviate the dysfunction. Maybe the problem is not the team structure but the team leadership.

 

From: http://www.broadlandshoa.org/hoaforum/showthread.php?t=9950:

-Jim

 

I don't think they had a real problem with divisiveness until the CSL president came along. From what I understand they usually were able to work out some kind of compromise, but some people don't understand the meaning of the word....

 

That is what I do not understand!!! And seeing this as the direction the majority of the board is willing to let the pools go I will be officially resigning as the recreation chair. I can in any good conscience support this position and do not want to be associated with it.

Staci

 

As a relatively new resident of Broadlands, I was very disappointed when my daughter was "waitlisted" for a spot on the team. We moved in at the end of the summer last year, and all my daughter wanted was to join the swim team this year. We registered about two weeks after registration began, and still got waitlisted. After reading about the actions of the CSL head, maybe I don't want her to be a part of it.

 

Either swim team is a GREAT experience for the kids! I highly recommend joining if you can.

Please don't let this thread scare anyone away. The coaching is great on both teams, there are great friendships to be made and a tremendous amount of fun for all of the kids. Our daughter's best friends have come through the team and our son enjoyed the teams and his friends on them for years as a swimmer and junior coach.

Many sports and clubs have these political type issues with parents but they rarely affect the kids and their experiences.

There are currently almost 400 kids on the teams which is a testament to the teams' success in the pool and the positive experience many kids want to continue to enjoy. The majority of parents have had such a positive experience that they encourage their neighbors and friends to join with their kids on the teams. The growth has been phenomenal over the last few years.