Open Political Discourse

If you want to have an open and CIVIL discussion about social and economic issues as they relate to the political parties and religion then please do it here. If this topic decends into personal attacks from either viewpoint, I will delete my topic.

 

T8erman: You've been censored AGAIN! For shame! The Admin is exceedingly fair in excising wanton and needless cruelty from the forums. You should know that since your posts have been frequently edited. Like the rest of the Republican party, you seem to recognize that the whole Compassionate Conservative thing was a big, fat lie to the American People.

Re-read your post carefully. Was that a freudian slip or was it intential? Because, by your very own words--you said that you believe that Republicans are bad people, too. I think that you've seen the light!

Finally, T8, I think you're a pretty good guy, all my tongue-in-cheek comments above aside. It's a shame that you associate yourself with fundamentalist Republicans like smythala, killer, and stephanie (where's that good ole lass anyway?). You must be awful proud of the Republican company you keep!

 

Chris, what exactly is a fundamentalist Republican? Should I consider all Democrats in the same light as the person on this board who suggested that one o four neighbors should get rid of her kid instead of the cat her kid was allergic to, since she had the cat first? So all Democrats are god-hating, baby killing, animal lovers? Thats just not how I think, so why is it that killer, smythla, et al. represent "Real" Republicans to you? If you actually engaged in honest intellectual discussion with actual Republican party members instead of using hyperbole and namecalling you will find that we aren't the Montana Mlitia extremists that the liberal "News" paints us to be.

 

Oh Chris, "frequently edited????? Going a bit overboard aren't you (just like some of your posts).

I had one post deleted because I used the word GAY in an obviously sarcastic manner and you were offended. GAY GAY GAY. Oh BTW, an admin sent me an e-mail saying that it was easier to delete my post than listen to you "female dog" about it. NYAH NYAH. On a personal note, I think they wussed out!
This last post I used the term "whine and FEMALE DOG (edited portion). I may have had another post edited but I can't remember. Gosh, gee willikers, 2-3 posts out of over 150, guess I am just a wild run-amok, crazy poster to the forums!

Chris, I too think you are a good guy (ha!) and think I would get along with you. And if it makes you happier, I avoid people like those you mentioned like the plague.

On a serious note, I read your posts and believe you are an intelligent individual. But I am somewhat dumbfounded though that an intellectual truly believes EITHER party is the sole reason for all the woes in our world.

Are you the democratic version of Rush Limbaugh???

Hope to meet you someday at one of the future drinking establishments. Bob

 

That is precisely the reason I am a registered independent. I can't understand how people will just stick with the party line or step into a voting booth and simply vote for all of the candidates of a particular party. It's almost as if some people aren't capable of individual thoughts or decisions so they just vote Democratic, Republican or whatever. There are even people who post in this forum (won't mention names) who fall into this. They aren't capable of intelligent debate because their party tells them they must think a certain way. Loosen up people. It's OK to speak your mind once in a while. You won't be struck by lightning if you question your parties agenda. That's what free speech is all about. The freedom to question authority. The freedom of free thought.

 

OP, that was a very thoughtful post. I agree with you whole heartedly. Although I do identify myself as a Republican because on the whole I believe in the majority of their principles, I differ from most Republicans on issues such as library filters, our current immigration policy, and regulation of the internet.

 

OP - I am not registered anything, guess in a way that makes me an idependent. But I guess for some, since I have stated here that I vote more often for GOP, I am labeled a Republican. Truth be told, slightly more of my political views fall in line with the DNC.

I vote for who I think will represent me and my family best, be it Republican or Democrat.

 

T8: It might be a little hyperbole, but as someone who has never been edited (as far I recall!), it does seem like the Admin slaps your hand quite a bit, whether he likes it or not. Regardelss, we should let the Admin's actions speak for themselves.

I've formed my views on Republicans over the last several years. The sight of Bush makes me puke. Anyone who support him or his party is part of a repressive regime hell bent on undoing fundamental inalienable rights. As a party, Republicans want to take away women's rights, want to change the Constituion to deny liberty and equal opportunity to entire classes or Americans, want to force the Bible and their selective interpreration of scriptures on all Americans (without regard for the separation of Church and State). Now, we find out that Bush, Cheney, and Dr. Rice all ignored mounting evidence of al Qaeda's plans before 9-11. Given all of that, how could any SANE person support the incompetent who is playing the role of POTUS?

Bob, I've always thought that you were a good guy. I've just always been shocked by how you can support such lunacy and radical fundamentalism. Bush's style of fundamentalism is barely different from Wahhabism -- and that lead to three aircraft full of innocents being used to attack the WTC and the Pentagon on 9-11. If you want to "avoid people like those mentioned like the plague," you definitely want to re-think your party affiliation.

I've read your posts, too, and I think you're a bright, intelligent guy. While I think both parties and ALL political parties, in general, have flaws, I honestly believe that right-wingers (from Republicans to Neo-Nazis and Fascists as a group), are responsible for injecting more vile and filth into this precious world than anyone with a liberal outlook.

I, too, hope that we can share some alcohol at a local drinking hole one day. Of course, that is if Bush, Cheney, and Rove don't allow drinking altogether (remember, the Bible says drinking is a sin).

Finally, LUVMYRED: Don't let them pick on you for driving an MB. I got my own little red C-Class. Liberals can drive nice cars, too!

 

If referring to the ban on gay marriage, It's not only the Republicans but many Democrats as well.

This has yet to be determined by the 911 commission. People have been taking Richard Clark's testimony as gospel. I have two problems with that. One, I feel it more than coincidence that his testimony just happened to coincide with the release of his book. Two, as Counter Terrorism Chief he was the same man who failed to prevent the first WTC bombing, the embassy bombings in Africa and the bombing of the USS Cole.
Even if the government had warning of an attack with commercial airlines do you really think people (especially liberals) would have stood for the extra Body and personal property searches that would have been needed to prevent such an attack?

I can't belive a liberal minded person would support a company that profited from slave labor from Nazi concentration camps

Edited for spelling

 

Chris - AGAIN, I do not vote exclusively for Republicans. Thus, I do not need to "re-think my party affiliation" as I DO NOT HAVE ONE.

As to the 9/11 issues, maybe if Clinton had the balls (or had gotten them back from Monica) to go after UBL, we would not be where we are now. As to the "mounting evidence", which is miniscule, I will refrain from comment for work purposes.

 

chris,

Your ranting has made me nostalgic for my years living in NYC. You just can't find such entertaining vitriolic psychobabble in these parts. Your strong factual presentation above was impressive. I especially liked "The sight of Bush makes me puke." Now THERE's an eloquent statement. Almost Lincolnesque. Oops, sorry, he was a Republican. More like Robert Byrd, I suppose. He's a good solid Democrat. He's considered one of the most thoughtful and eloquent Democrats in the whole darn Senate. Uh oh. Turns out he's the only member of the Senate who was in the Klan. (Actually, not just a member, but a recruiter, but no need to mention that after all these years.) Wait a minute, now I'm confused. Who are the good guys again?

 

chris: The main problem that Americans face today is that neo-fascist, fundamentalist extremists like Bushy boy have over-taken the Republican party. When the Republicans were all about personal wealth AND personal freedom, I love 'em. Now, they are about personal wealth AND obsessive oppression of anyone who does not conform. I think that the Republican party is headed for a major division -- with the free marketers on one side and the fascist fundamentalists on the other.

OP: What do you drive? Even Ford and GM had ties to the Reich. Germany is now a much freer, more progressive state than the U.S. For example, you don't see Germany slaughtering innocent children in the streets of Baghdad, do you?

 

THIS COUNTRY'S MAIN PROBLEM IS WITH WOMEN WHO WORK INSTEAD OF RAISE CHILDREN AND RUN THE HOUSE, HOMOSEXUALS, AND ALL OTHERS WHO CRY BLOODY MURDER WHEN THEY HEAR "UNDER GOD" IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS! SUPPORT BUSH/CHENEY TO MOVE AMERICA FORWARD IN 2004. www.georgewbush.com

killer_bee in broadands, ashburn, virginia

 

Killer: If by "move America forward" you mean return us to Dark Ages, let's all support Dubya!

T8: You said, "I vote more often for GOP, I am labeled a Republican. Truth be told, slightly more of my political views fall in line with the DNC." I don't get that. Why do you vote GOP more often than not if you don't believe their vitriol?

Brooks5: You want to talk about Byrd? First, let's look at Strom Thurmond -- you know the racist [Edited by Moderator] that your party idealized for nearly a century. He talked about how he hated black people but was not above a booty call with a hottie! What hypocrisy!

OP: Richard Clarke is a Republican, and he has the guts to tell the truth about Dubya. I think America is listening to him. Is that what you are really ticked off about?

 

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My comment about Mercedes Benz was a bit of sarcasm directed at the PC police. Personally I don't feel that what a company (or country for that matter) did 60 years ago has much bearing on how they should be perceived today.
As far as Germany being more progressive and free than the U.S. it all depends on your point of view. If you are a Turk or any other foreign national living in Germany you have no hope of ever becoming a citizen or gaining the full rights and privileges of a citizen no matter how long you live there. Germany grants citizen ship based on heritage only. As far ad they are concerned if you are not of German decent you are not good enough to be a citizen of Germany. I don't know about you but that sounds a bit xenophobic and racist to me.
I have not seen any U.S. troops "slaughtering" innocent children as you put it. I will agree that innocent people have been killed in Iraq but they were not intentionally targeted. I guess you would rather see someone like Saddam still in power intentionally gassing entire villages and murdering opposition leaders.

 

Flynnibus ... I totally agree with your statement ...
Killer must get offly bored in his ivory tower