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Shouldn't our HOA elected officials be impartial?

Discussion in 'Broadlands Community Issues' started by Brewer, Mar 2, 2008.

  1. gryphon

    gryphon Banned User

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    vacliff,

    I don't honestly think you could believe your own statement above. All politics is local, and you have personally stated that the community was divided. So, saying that it was not political does not make sense.

    While I don't care if the hospital is developed or not (either way, we have a new hospital right down Claiborne Parkway), it would be nice for people's quasi-religious zealotry for or against the hospital not to involve the suspension of logic.
     
  2. GeauxTigers

    GeauxTigers Member

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    ...and Happy Cliff goes wild with his newfound love of the "ignore" button!
     
  3. Lee

    Lee Permanent Vacation

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    I wonder if Cliff has not gone a little too Happy, he is posting this everywhere. :pofl:I think it is even going to come out in the washington post editorial this weekend that he now is using the ignore feature;) Maybe we need to build a loco wing after all as this debate is certainly taking it's toll. :)
     
  4. KTdid

    KTdid Well-Known Member

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    Agreed. When a community has a split opinion against HCA and 3 BOARD members unanimously give HCA the thumbs up, it is obviously political. IMO this was a "self serving" vote and actions such as this one have to be questioned. This may be an elected board but it still needs to be policed and actions looked at under a microscope. It surprises me that BOARD members take offense to this.
     
  5. Lee

    Lee Permanent Vacation

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    And the minute you become a public figure such as Cliff and others here it is extremely difficult if not impossible for people to perceive that your opinion separate from your public job or the influence you might have.

    That is just the way it is you will become extremely controversial when others disagree with your even perceived influence and opinion. I take Mr Miller at his word that Cliff and others has no influence on him, but there is a lot of people that don't see it that way. This just goes with the territory especially when you are all over the place posting and getting written up about your opinions that goes far beyond just wanting the hospital, but also trashing the existing hospital a mere 5 miles away. How does that look right before a very controversial vote by the BOS this last week. And the other attorney on the BOS was strongly opposed in stopping this lawsuit at the moment. And you have York with very close ties to HCA going further that we should not even being having this discussion the hospital should of already been built hmmmmmmm Susan Buckley the stongly opposed supervisor to this motion got her Juris Doctor degree from the University of Texas at Austin. So she has to be right getting her law degree from THE Texas University in Austin one of my favorite places in the world just like here;);););););););););)

     
  6. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    How does people having different opinions make something 'political' ?

    If I like Coke and you like Pepsi, all of a sudden its political? (divided opinion)
    If I like the orioles and you like the nationals, this is political? (local relevance)

    Your logic makes no sense.

    How is this self-serving to the resident board members? Where is this magical 'gain' from this?

    Just because someone is vocal, doesn't mean they had to be self-serving or have an agenda. Do you have some secret distrust of anyone who happens to have an opinion and will fight for it?

    Should we automatically assume you have some self-serving interest in bringing up votes from ages ago because you've now posted several follow-ups on the topic? No - that logic is absurd, so why do you apply it to people simply because they aren't shy to fight for something as an individual?
     
  7. blue_devil

    blue_devil New Member

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    It's naive to say an HOA endorsement does not imply residential support because the HOA is suppose to represent the residents. This thread is not about what an HOA Board can technically do; but, what it should do or should not do.

    I consider the HOA Board primarily an administrative body, not political. I believe that residents should be able to approach the Board when concerned about issues outside the scope of the HOA's control to take advantage of the fact that an HOA endorsement/oppostion can carry weight: because of the collective power of the residents - not the Board members.

    Sheriff patrols, school boundaries are examples where the collective voice of the community is in strong agreement. Without strong agreement I don't think the HOA Board has any business issuing an endorsement/opposition. The Board can study and inform the residents; but, there was is no reason the HOA Board should be taking sides on a divided issue.

    Now if a divided issue fell within the parameters of things the Board actually oversees (ie, trash, pools, etc) then that is the time the Board members must form an opinion. And, here I would like to have Board members who vote what they believe is best for Broadlands even if it might not be the majority opinion of the residents.
     
  8. gryphon

    gryphon Banned User

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    :nono: Dude, you must be able to see that expressing opinions on matters of public policy (for example, to build or not to build a new hospital) are surely quite different from deciding to drink Pepsi or Coke.
     
  9. Lee

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    Actually I see a bigger difference between coke and pepsi then the two hospitals going to be a mere 5 miles apart.

    ""Hospital care for the many NOT double hospital care for the few""""

    Lee j
     
  10. T8erman

    T8erman Well-Known Member

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    I would suggest that if people are not happy with the way the HOA conducts business then do something about. GET INVOLVED!

    And NOT only when it is a controversial issue and suits one's specific agenda.
     
  11. KTdid

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    Thank you for agreeing. The vote supported one's own specific agenda. Period.

    Now, going back to your suggestion (which is old by the way) that if one isn't happy with the decisions of the board then one has the option to get involved. I agree. People need to vote (and that is one way of getting involved). But they don't have to take an officially elected seat to debate what is right or wrong.
     
  12. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    Please don't try and tell me what I do and don't believe. I said it before and I will emphasize again, I was shocked that healthcare needs was so controlled by politics.

    And to answer KTdid- just because something is controversial, doesn't mean it's "political", at least not to me.

    Lastly, go ask anyone on the Board of Supervisors which carries more weight....an HOA Board endorsing something or hearing from several residents endorsing something. I know the answer, but for those that are wondering, it might allay your concerns to hear it directly from them.
     
  13. gryphon

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    You have mentioned on these forums that you don't view HOAs as being different from governments. So, again, I don't buy your latest assertion now that you did not think the matter was political, as you clearly are adept in politics given your perception of the role you serve. The HOA made a decision related to a matter of public policy. Why not be honest and own up to that?

    Finally, I personally will stand up for your rights to have an opinion and to express it. You have done much for this community, and you deserve that rights. All I am saying is that I do not think that it is within the realm of possibility for you to say that the issue is non-political and non-controversial.
     
  14. flynnibus

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    Really? And you are basing this conclusion on what data? Your personal opinion on the topic? See the irony here?
     
  15. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    Sorry - you can keep your circular logic 'dude'. You conclude its political because its divided.. and then say its political because what? It's dividied? That's a circular arguement.

    When this all started - long before court cases, lobbying, broadlands vs rt 50, everything... this was about what people wanted across the street from them or not - not politics. Once all the opposition stirred up in the form of INOVA - then it got political.
     
  16. gryphon

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    flynnibus,

    Since you argue above that it has turned political now, are you saying that the HOA should vote on rescinding its endorsement of the facility? Would that the best course of action to avoid the division in the community?
     
  17. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    I don't see how the situation regarding the hospital at hand has changed in any way that would make the hospital any less desirable now then when they originally formed an opinion on it. The only thing that has changed is the activity and lobbying around it. In fact, the deal has been sweetened by BMRC since the original opinion was published, not soured. So based on what action would the board need to rescind something?

    I see the activity AROUND it all being political.. not the meat of the matter - which hasn't really changed. So why would you bother changing an opinion on something that hasn't really changed?

    Having a bunch of people posting on a forum now because they weren't here years ago when it all went down the first time doesn't really constitute any change in the core issues of the matter that affect our community.

    Are you suggesting gryphon that simply because an opinion is no longer popular with a select group you should rescind it? No wonder you are so interested in politics... you think just like 'em.
     
  18. blue_devil

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    Based on the fact that I've never heard of any opposition to getting more patrols within Broadlands. It was very apparent with respect to the hospital that there was resident opposition and that there was no clear opinion from residents.

    I don't know the specifics of how the HOA Board became involved with patrols and school boundaries. I would prefer that residents would approach the board or board members and ask that the HOA Board look into the issue, not have the HOA Board initiating involvement on its own. But involvement does not mean that the HOA Board must ultimately take a side.

    Again, this thread is about when should HOA officials weigh in on issues. I think everyone agrees that as individuals they are free to express their opinion and Cliff does a superior job of disclaiming his view from that of his role on the Board. However, my point is the Board can choose to not issue an opinion (because an opinion does carry weight and can be used by the prefered side) on the subject with which it is apparent there is residential division.
     
  19. Lee

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    What also makes the hospital undesirable in that location is the compromises such as taking out the helipad and limiting it's growth potential. We should have a hospital built on a site that allows it to grow to a full blown center including a trauma center. Not a hospital compromised or are they lying to us and plan to take what ever it takes to add and grow far beyond what they initially compromised to. These hospital people have shown they will go to extreme lengths to get what it wants. what is going to stop it from endless litigation in the future to get back these compromises and a lot more once they are there?????????

    The Hospital needs to be on a non compromised site.
     
  20. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    None of it was 'very clear'.. there is 'resident opposition' on some degree on many things. Because a few are against it we should do nothing? Because one person is complaining, and we don't know what the rest are doing we should automatically default to the paralyzed mode? Based on that logic, NOTHING would ever be done.

    You also ignore the point that you assume that you have access to everyone's opinion. That was my point to you in your statement, you ASSUME there is no descent in how the school boundries are, or the way the sheriff operates because you believe your opinion is universal and therefore no descent. Based on what? Why can you assume in this case there is unformity to make a conclusion so its ok to have a board position, but in other situations with similar lack of true representation of every resident, you think opinions shouldn't be made?

    That would assume you have residents with initiative. Instead we have the reality which is 99.5% of them expect their opinion and desires to be telepathically communicated to the board.

    Then I don't know what type of world you live in where you can only make decisions where there is a clear and definitiative answer from every one of your constituents and if there is not you can just decide to sit back and do nothing... because that sounds like getting nothing done 100% of the time.
     

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