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Shouldn't our HOA elected officials be impartial?

Discussion in 'Broadlands Community Issues' started by Brewer, Mar 2, 2008.

  1. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    I really don't care what you "buy". Since you refuse to believe what I have explained twice, you are nicely stating you think I am not telling the truth. So, I am done with you on this issue.

    I have never stated this issue was non-controversial. It obviously was and to some still is.
    I never stated it was non-political. I stated I was surprised to find out that it was political.
     
  2. gryphon

    gryphon Banned User

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    The community has changed and evolved a lot since HOA voted. Again, I am not in either of the pro-hospital or anti-hospital zealot camps. I am just wondering why there was so much hostility at the simple suggestion that it might be time for the HOA to take up this issue and discuss it again?
     
  3. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    blue_devil-
    I have a new situation that I found out about today. As it stands, the current water restrictions prohibit the HOA from filling our community pools this year. What should the HOA do?
    Conduct a survey, wait for the results, determine if more votes support opening the pools, then issue an HOA opinion? By then, the summer would be over.
    What if we did the survey and more votes were against opening the pools? After all, it would save the HOA hundreds of thousands of dollars. Should the HOA then just leave the pools closed?
    Or, should the HOA immediately make it clear that the water restrictions should be waived?

    You elect people to make these calls. If you don't like the calls they make, don't vote for them. If you don't like the representations they make, then you have the right to make it clear the HOA does not speak for you.
     
  4. gryphon

    gryphon Banned User

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    Once again, I am absolutely amazed at all the hostility. The reactions here seem incredibly defensive and make me wonder why.

    I have done nothing of the sort, and this is exactly the type of defensive behavior I am referring to. I don't know why you would be attacking me over this since, just a few post back, I told everyone that I would stand up for your rights to have an opinion and to express it. I also said that you have done much for this community, and you deserve those rights.
     
  5. gryphon

    gryphon Banned User

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    Is it the right response of the HOA to berate and belittle residents of the community who ask questions?
     
  6. T8erman

    T8erman Well-Known Member

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    I was actually referring to you and a few others who ONLY get involved (and only on the forum) when it is a sensitive issue or suits your agenda.
     
  7. T8erman

    T8erman Well-Known Member

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    What extreme lengths? Please list some EXTREME lengths.

    And please do not list the court case as "going to court" is FAR from extreme these days.
     
  8. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    No, I leave that to you. I am giving blue_devil an example. It's amazing to me that you consider this "berating or belittling."
    It points out an example where an HOA might want to take a stand on an issue. It points out that this stand will probably not be agreed to by all. It points out that the results of a survey may not be seen as in the best interests of all the residents.
    It points out what an individual can do if they don't like the HOA's actions.

    Why do you see that is berating or belittling?
    Don't answer. I'm done responding to you on this issue.
     
  9. T8erman

    T8erman Well-Known Member

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    Why is it when someone disagrees with your posts you consider it an attack?
     
  10. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    Since you want to play the dumb, innocent victim here, allow me to show you:

    Your quote: " I don't honestly think you could believe your own statement above."
    You are stating that I am not telling the truth. How could it be interpreted any differently?

    Your quote: "So, again, I don't buy your latest assertion now that you did not think the matter was political."
    Again, you accuse me of lying.

    Your quote: "All I am saying is that I do not think that it is within the realm of possibility for you to say that the issue is non-political."
    Again, you accuse me of lying.

    Is this now clear enough? Your little victim games are old and as transparent as a plate glass window.
    (I still luv ya, though!)
     
  11. gryphon

    gryphon Banned User

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    It was all the hostility that was seeping through his posts. I mean I was defending him just a few posts earlier, and then he starts accusing me of utter BS. Sheesh!

    I now have a new addition to my Ignore list. Welcome, vacliff!
     
  12. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    That's a very myopic and self-serving viewpoint that discredits the time and effort expended by the other two Board members on this issue.
    But, if it makes you feel better, blame it all on Cliff. I don't mind. Period.
     
  13. KTdid

    KTdid Well-Known Member

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    T8, you wouldn't know because you narrowly base your opinions solely on posts without knowing someone's background. You do not know what my agenda is other than I do not believe we need a hospital 5 miles from another. Stop instigating/flaming the debate with your rhetoric and stick with the topic which has to do with impartiality and the actions of the HOA.
     
  14. T8erman

    T8erman Well-Known Member

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    AHHH, that age-old dilemma of what a poster intends versus what a reader interrupts. ;)

    In all honesty Gryph, those few posts did come accross to me as doubting his veracity while praising him at the same time.

    Guess some people don't like to be considered "less than honest". My .02 worth.
     
  15. T8erman

    T8erman Well-Known Member

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    Weren't me who attempted to twist a post.

    And yes, I do form SOME opinions based on SOME of posts, I am shallow that way. ;)

    Ahh, but if it gets too serious it is not fun anymore. (rhetoric - is that something the new hospital could fix?)

    Oh, and it is ALLEGED impartiality. I think the HOA did the right thing.
     
  16. Lee

    Lee Permanent Vacation

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    Mark my words they will go as far as they can to get the helipad back in. And litigate and push it until it happens.
    If this board never approves it then they will try until they do get a board to approve it or a judge. :happygrin: And that will be just the beginning and then they will want more beds and so on and so on. This site will become an site of endless litigation until they get their way. Mark my words the first thing will be the helipad. :devil2: Hospitals don't hardly ever move they expand into infinity. ;) It happens everyday all over the country endless expansion beyond the initial approval and vision or litigate until they get their way. That is another reason to be on another site to be able to be the hospital that can grow and service the community to a hospital's true potential. NOt an hospital of compromise.

    """"A hospital for the many that grow at it's full potential NOT a double and compromised hospital care for the few""""""
     
  17. gryphon

    gryphon Banned User

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    Does this mean that residents here are not entitled to an opinion unless they run the HOA or do a certain number of activities deemed acceptable by you?
     
  18. T8erman

    T8erman Well-Known Member

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    No Lee, I wanted what they have DONE, not what you THINK they will do.

    PURELY speculatory on your part. And honestly, that is the basis for many of your arguements. You cite things that "could" or "may" happen where in truth you have no idea.

    I am not saying have that you shouldn't have an opinion but at least make your arguing points valid and proveable. I would much rather hear an opinion like KTDID's "just because" than making up stuff.
     
  19. gryphon

    gryphon Banned User

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    I guess it is hard to please everyone, and sometimes a compliment will be ingored just to serve someone's agenda. Such is life.

    Still, where there is smoke, there is normally fire. All of the HOA's hostility over the issue makes me wonder...
     
  20. T8erman

    T8erman Well-Known Member

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    YES!



    Of course not. But let's look at it your way.

    If the HOA is political in nature as you think it is (because Cliff said so ;)) then as elected "officials" they do not need to take a poll every time a decison needs to be made. WE elected them to make our decisons for us. If WE do not like their decisons, we vote them out.

    I can live with that. Just like local, state and federal elections.
     

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