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Towing cars

Discussion in 'Broadlands Community Issues' started by vacliff, Oct 21, 2009.

  1. Silly Yak

    Silly Yak Member

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    I think #4 is a rampant issue on most townhouse streets. How does it get inforced?

    4. No vehicle shall be parked in such a manner or in any area that obstructs the safe, free-flow of moving vehicular traffic or obstructs the movements of other vehicles or pedestrians into or out of parking spaces on Public Streets, or Private Roads.
     
  2. mamatothree

    mamatothree New Member

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    This is where blocking of sidewalks and parking in fire lanes comes into play. Those vehicles will be towed. Unfortunately, parking along unmarked curbs (those not painted yellow with a fire lane designation) is legal and although it some times makes getting out of one's driveway difficult - I know I live in a town house where cars consistantly park behind my driveway - they are not considered obstructing traffic.
     
  3. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    The HOA Board will finalize its policy on this issue at our Board meeting on the 9th. I encourage any residents with an opinion on this issue to send it to the Board or attend the meeting.
     
  4. decalr

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    Maureen:

    Thanks for the clarification about commercial vehicles.
     
  5. lilpea

    lilpea Member

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    We'll be there, along with several neighbors with signatures from 99% of our street.

    Don't get me wrong I agree with the Fire Lane towing, but towing from the Driveway of a homeowner is a bit much.
     
  6. T8erman

    T8erman Well-Known Member

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    Only towing if they completely block the sidewalk??? I am ALL for that!
     
  7. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    I think what you define as 'block' is part of the argument...
     
  8. Mr. Linux

    Mr. Linux Senior Member & Moderator Forum Staff

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    Just a point of clarification; we're talking about towing cars that completely block the sidewalk. I think your statement above about 'towing from the driveway' is pure FUD (Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt).

    Pea, will you be taking your stack of signatures to the Loudoun County BOS as well, since what we're talking about is enforcing the SAME law that Loudoun County has on the books.

    http://www.loudoun.gov/controls/spe...ies+and+Public+Services/Streets+and+Sidewalks

     
  9. tigger

    tigger New Member

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    I fully support the towing of cars that are are covering the sidewalk, and I will be calling for towing enforcement. Too many of our neighbors park their vehicles two deep, prohibiting anyone from safely walking on the sidewalk. Many times, these vehicles are even sticking out in the street. My children know to stay on the sidewalk when they are outside playing, but too many of our rude neighbors prevent my children from riding their bikes or even walking along the sidewalk. We have a parking lot, and if that is full, the main street is a short walk away with plenty of parking. It's just laziness on their part.

    When there are laws to shovel snow off the sidewalk for safety reasons, why should a car be any different. It still prevents individuals from using the sidewalk.
     
  10. redon1

    redon1 aka Aphioni

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    a fat blocking-the-sidewalk-in-a-driveway fine sounds like a good deterrent...
     
  11. Mr. Linux

    Mr. Linux Senior Member & Moderator Forum Staff

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    So is the fear of being towed.
     
  12. lilpea

    lilpea Member

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    Mr. Linux,

    As we discussed at the last meeting, the issues with the inclusion of our particular street are:

    1) it is the ONLY privately owned street that allows for curb parking on both sides of the street.
    2) There has NEVER been a complaint filed with the HOA about parking on our street
    3) We do not have a Yellow Fire Lane Curb on either side of our street
    4) The HOA BoD has yet to determine the guidelines of towing for cars either partially blocking the sidewalk or completely blocking the side walk
    5) The HOA Towing a privately owned car from a privately owned driveway/sidewalk
    6) The HOA Contractor repeatedly covers the sidewalk with snow, thus blocking passage of the sidewalk.

    In addition during the last meeting it was cited that the HOA owns the sidewalk, when in fact they do not, they simply maintain it. Which bodes the follow up question, if the HOA presumptively owns the sidewalk or even maintains it, does this mean in the future the HOA is responsible for clearing the snow from the sidewalk

    Again I am in full support of towing vehicles from fire lanes, but as a property owner I draw the line with towing from my private driveway.

    As for my statement being FUD, call it what you want but I cite the Feb 10 BHOA Newsletter and subsequent conversations with HOA Members.

    In the newsletter it states two different criterion for towing: Back cover (which has a spelling error) it states "blocking passage of the sidewalk
    Page 15; which reads in part "cars parked in driveways but completely blocking the sidewalk"
     
  13. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    Why do 1,2,and 3 matter at all? Those points aren't in conflict with the county restrictions.

    Point 5... isn't this basically covered under your covenants anyway? Just because it's a car doesn't magically make up some new property rights.

    Point 6 matters how? The law doesn't say you need to remove snow only placed by Mother Nature. It says you are responsible for clearing the sidewalk. If it were a county plow throwing the snow 20ft.. or a HOA contractor pushing it... or your neighbor dumping it.. none of that changes a person's responsibility to clear their sidewalk.

    On the definition of blocking... that's a separate argument. But you notice the county doesn't try to define a criteria.. its either you're in or not. That makes it pretty simple. You're on the sidewalk or not.
     
  14. Mr. Linux

    Mr. Linux Senior Member & Moderator Forum Staff

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    Please explain to me how #1, #2, and #6 have anything to do with the proposal to tow cars blocking sidewalks?

    #3 - Yes that's true, and as such, there wouldn't be any towing for parking in fire lanes on your street.

    In regards to #4, that's what we're discussing during our meetings.

    #5 - Let me get this straight, you're actually stating that you OWN the sidewalk in front of your home?

    Let's just be frank here; according to what you are saying, you believe that your street deserves 'special treatment' and should be treated above and beyond other streets in our community because you feel that either the rule doesn't need to apply because it has never been an issue on your street or because the HOA doesn't own the sidewalk. You believe that everyone on your street should be able to block the sidewalk in front of their home, either because they 'own' the sidewalk or because it's 'not an issue'.

    Do you realize what sort of precedent what you're asking for would set? Think really, really hard before answering...
     
  15. lilpea

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    This isn't about feelings it is due to the fact that our street is the ONLY Privately owned street within in the community that; is not painted with a yellow fire lane curb, thus allowing for parking on both sides of the street.

    These are facts, not feelings.

    As for #5 - there have been mixed messages about who actually owns the sidewalks on privately owned streets, which is why we asked the question.

    As an elected member of the HOA, frankly I find your response rather condescending and inflexible considering that afore mentioned facts. We have legitimate concerns about the HOA contracting a towing company and what if any affect it would have on our street and/or property. I would expect members of the board would be willing to discuss this in a civil and productive manner versus belittling a homeowner about the concerns.
     
  16. T8erman

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    Pea - I too am a bit perplexed why you feel your street should be exempt.
    As you do not have any fire lanes, you have more available parking then most HOA controlled streets. With this excess parking, there should be absolutely no excuse for blocking a sidewalk trying to squeeze a car into one's driveway.
     
  17. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    And where does the rules state that parking on both sides of the street isn't allowed?? You bring this up as if its in conflict with the rules in some way... where/how?
     
  18. decalr

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    I too am against towing cars from driveways. It is out of proportion to the problem. (I do not park on the sidewalk or block the sidewalk.)
     
  19. T8erman

    T8erman Well-Known Member

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    I am against towing all together. I mean, are the other parking issues REALLY a problem either? What are the odds that a fire truck would really need that fire lane? And can't a mailperson just get out of their vehicle to put mail in the box, the exercise would do them well and who really cares if they have to do this for a few hundred mailboxes. That can't add that much time to their route, can it?

    As for the parking in driveways and blocking sidewalks, the kids can walk in the streets. Not like there are any speeders in our community or drivers who are distracted by cell phone use.

    Yeah, let's keep this issue on a proportional basis because we all know that these silly rules are meaningless and no one really ever gets hurt.
     
  20. lilpea

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    Don't get me wrong I agree that those who block the entire passage of the sidewalk are in violation of County Ordinances and are subject to being towed.

    With respect to our street, again we are the only privately owned street, that meets VDOT guidelines (due to the width of the street) for 2 way traffic with cars parked on both sides of the curb, thus our street wouldn't be subject to fire lane enforcement by the towing company. The real issues is what are the guidelines for towing from a driveway as it relates to blocking the sidewalk.

    With the lack of clarification on sidewalk towing guidelines; are cars towed from a driveway if they only block 10% of the sidewalk or 100%...this caused uncertainty for homeowners.
     

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