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Twenty Ashburn Teens Face Alcohol Charges After Post-Homecoming House Party

Discussion in 'Broadlands Community Issues' started by arsenaultj, Oct 20, 2008.

  1. Earl4

    Earl4 New Member

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    How do you know what the officer was aware of and when? Did you speak with him about your assumptions before going public with them? And lastly, are you a cop (or former cop) as your name implies?
     
  2. NYfinest01

    NYfinest01 New Member

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    No I am not a cop/former cop but it was a known fact that a resource teacher I beleive had informed the officer about this a few days prior to the dance. This was a heavily talked about subject at the school for a week or so I was told and so word got around quickly (spreading to teachers as well). And I'm sure as a teacher it is his/her responsablity to mention something of this nature to an officer or someone if alcohol was mentioned to be present- which no doubt in my mind most likely was- but I beleive for the kids safety the officer should've warned the kid of who's house it was suppose to be held at. To me it just seems like the safety of the students should've came first so before entering or leaving the dance that day he should've told them not to have it or if they do to know that patrol cars would be partoling the surrounding areas maybe even coming to the check on the house. But thats just my opinion.
     
  3. eam

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    <sarcasm>Yeah, if that cop was cool he would have told us to have our party somewhere else</sarcasm> What would anyone have learned from that?
     
  4. fidothedog

    fidothedog Member

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    Just so I understand your argument here:

    A parent allows their kid to throw a party at their house while they are there. Lots of kids show up with lots of alcohol (apparently enough for a six pack per kid). Two kids drink so much that they pass out and have blood alcohol content over .39 (which is potentially fatal). Cops arrive and bust up the party and lots of kids and the owner are in trouble with the law.

    Your argument is that it is the cops fault that this occurred because a resource officer at the school knew a party was going to occur and didn't do anything to stop it.

    You must be kidding me on this. The fault is entirely with the parent hosting the party, the kids at the party and the adults who provided the alcohol to the kids not the police, the school or the resource officer.

    This is what is so wrong with our society now. Generallly, people around here are unable to accept the responsibilty for their actions.

    I teach my kids that your actions/decisions have consequences and that they must understand what may happen based on what they do. They must accept those consequences when they make bad decisions.

    We blame others for our faults/bad decisions all the time.

    Whose fault is the current market crisis? Just Wall Street and the Hill? It is also all of us who also got greedy in the housing boom. We all know people who were buying houses and flipping them, we know people who were buying homes that they could not afford, we all felt "wealthy" with the increase in our home values, and most of us spend above our means. Wall Street and the Hill were the enablers to our addiction to cheap credit and excessive spending.
     
  5. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    Just highlighting bits to show how you contradict yourself on the 'fact' portion of the argument. Glad to see our local schools are doing such a fine job :screwy:

    So what is going to teach them a lesson??

    a) trying to find a new spot for the party
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    b) learning the consequences of violating the law

    I think B sends a stronger message.
     
  6. T8erman

    T8erman Well-Known Member

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    PERHAPS, what NY is trying to say is that IF the officer knew about the party before hand, the officer should have taken action BEFORE the party.

    An ounce of prevention...

    Personally, IF the officer did know, he should have taken some sorta action to prevent or change (no alcohol) the party.
     
  7. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    fido-
    Well stated!!!!
     
  8. chattycat

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    Ditto, Fido...
     
  9. tyger31

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    Fido - wonderful post and I totally agree with everything you said!!!! Right on!!
     
  10. hokie'81

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    fido is totally on the mark! :clap:
     
  11. serendipity

    serendipity New Member

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    Another vote for Fido!! :clap:
     
  12. chattycat

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    Fido for president!!!!!
     
  13. boxerluvr168

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    I understand what NYfinest is trying to say. WHAT IF one of those kids who were sent to the hospital DID die. The whole situation could have been prevented if the Cop notified the parents before the actual party. It is his job to prevent illegal things from happening along with taking action when they do happen. Everyone always says... "kids will be kids" but I dont think parents should allow alcohol to have a place in their kid's lives. At the same time, I dont think that kids should be locked away from the real world, and the dangers alcohol can bring. Again going back to NYfinest, I agree that if a teenager never experiences what drinking can do, when they go to college without any parents hovering over them, they tend to go a little "crazy"
     
  14. chattycat

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    Sigh....please make it stop....
     
  15. T8erman

    T8erman Well-Known Member

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    If the officer knew that the party was going to take place and that there was going to be alcohol, he should have attempted to something beforehand.

    If you know your child is going to do something stupid and possibly harmful to themselves, do you wait until they do it or do you try to PREVENT it? HMMMMM?
     
  16. Mr. Linux

    Mr. Linux Senior Member & Moderator Forum Staff

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    Let's turn it around; how many parents knew their kid was going to a party where alcohol was going to be present, and didn't do anything to prevent it? It goes both ways.
     
  17. chattycat

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    Parents helped their kids set up tents on this lady's property...go talk to them.
     
  18. Chsalas

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    Should the police then issue you a speeding ticket for tomorrow? You will break the speed limit someplace on you drive to work, so that would warrant a ticket? Same logic.
     
  19. serendipity

    serendipity New Member

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    This has happened in the past...attempts are made to get the party that is learned about stopped and the party just gets moved to a different location. All that happens is they avoid getting caught and having consequences for their actions. All they learn is inventive ways to work around it. Maybe this time, with being busted they will have some consequences and learn from the incident. Maybe it will actually save a life down the road because one of these teens will change their choice next time. The teens who drank need to own it. Take responsibility for their own actions/choices/behavior. When will that kick in? Can't wait until they are 18 and/or in college to learn that there are consequences for their own behavior and decisions. They chose to drink and did so illegally.
     
  20. Ozgood

    Ozgood Not a space alien

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    That is an interesting concept. In law enforcement there are procedures for the proactive preventing of a person from committing a felony. The police do not have to stand by and wait for you to pull the trigger or finish the rape.

    However, when it comes to misdemeanors, I am not sure the policy is as clear.

    Do we have any LE people here who can answer this question:

    "if you have reasonable knowledge that a person intends to commit a misdemeanor, what are you allowed to do and not do with respect to this person prior to the committing of the misdemeanor?"

    An interesting question
     

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