Broadlands Hospital

[vacliff]

Originally Posted by Lee

TI have watched the new bos meetings on tv somewhat and I can tell you we elected the right person in our district and Mr Miller scrutinizes everything what I can see down to the minutia. I am very impressed and he will scrutinize I am sure this hospital as it has never been scrutinized before. I really believe he will, so no matter how he votes on this hospital eventually, at least we have a supervisor that will do his homework on this extremely controversial hospital.
Lee j

Geez Lee, a few posts ago you were sending Mr. Miller down the river because he appointed the Pea and I to volunteer committee's. Glad you've changed your opinion of him.

[vacliff]

Originally Posted by Silence Dogood99

2. Helicopter Noise. This is a legitimate and serious point. This is a reason why I would oppose the hospital because this could interfere with sleep and general enjoyment of life.

Helicopter noise is a serious consideration. And if it were going to be bad enough, it would be enough for me to adamantly oppose the hospital. But don't throw in the other arguments because they are canards.

Interesting that we have had numerous helicopter landings in Broadlands that were significantly closer to homes than the proposed helipad might be.
I didn't hear one report of excessive noise, rattling windows, or pictures falling off the walls.

I will also point out that the helipad is not yet a part of the hospital proposal. They removed it from their application last time around. although I don't see how you can have a hospital without one.

[vacliff]

Originally Posted by Lee

Facts are, the majority of the people voted no to it in an poll the last time

Lee-
Since you bring up public opinion polls again, I will now ask you for the eighth time and would appreciate your response:

Okay, Lee, let me pose this to you.
Let's say BRMC is again put before the county, along with the tens of millions of dollars in road proffers, millions of dollars in tax revenue, and providing more healthcare to a county that is woefully underserved, as well as all those high paying jobs.
How many people does it take for the county to turn it down?
Just one person saying "I live there and don"t like it." 10? 20? 100?
What if 20 don't like it, but 20 that live nearby say they do?
And what is your definition of "Closest?" 1/2 mile? mile? 100 yards?

I know there are many supporters who live near the site. In fact the resident in the house right on the corner by the entrance was a HUGE supporter...and his wife worked for Loudoun Hospital. Since he was the closest, does his vote trump all?

[vacliff]

Originally Posted by Mr Rogers

Lets discuss property values, and what determines them.

The value of a home is almost entirely (up to 90%) determined supply and demand, and not by size or quality of construction.

Now, lets take home x in a neighborhood:

• In a neutral setting, 50 people would be interested in purchasing the home.
• Add a buffer (golf course, parkland, etc) 5 more people would be interested.
• Add a hospital on adjacent property 5 fewer people would be interested.

Upon what am I basing this? In all of the posts regarding the potential hospital, NOT ONE PERSON SAID THAT THEY WOULD PREFER TO LIVE NEXT DOOR TO THE HOSPITAL.

Nonsensical argument since neither of your first two bullet points was ever a possibility. The property is zoned for millions of square feet of commercial space. Has been since they turned over the first spade of earth in Broadlands.
I'll use my house as an example. Some people, like Lee, think I have a very valuable and rare commodity for this area (the view) that adds an incredible amount of value to my home. Others will look at it and say "backs to a 4-lane road, no backyard, I don't want it."

And don't forget the fact that Van Metre just sold the closest lots to the hospital entrance in the past few months. I don't think they discounted prices any because of it. The few people who bought there that I spoke to are well aware of the hospital and it did not deter them.

[Lee]

Originally Posted by vacliff

Geez Lee, a few posts ago you were sending Mr. Miller down the river because he appointed the Pea and I to volunteer committee's. Glad you've changed your opinion of him.

Cliff you are like a little kid ha ha When you make statements like this. I have always supported Mr Miller and I have a right to agree or disagree just like you do about about any public official's vote, stance, comments etc that Does not mean I don't support him or her in the overall big picture.

As far as your argument about jobs taxes roads improvements we would get that anyway no matter where this hospital is built and hopefully built where it causes the least problems overall and can expand without causing more controversy's down the road.

There are way too many future problems with this hospital that we would not have with an office park, which I have mentioned too many times.

This is one of the most controversial developments I have seen so far in Loudoun. It is time to plan and develop on what is left of this clean slate in loudoun correctly. Way way too many unknowns and potential problems forever with this hospital especially in expansion.

Almost all HOSPITALS EXPAND forever beyond their original build out and these hospital people have never closed that door and they can't. They are already going into this with a con job when it comes to the helipad so who knows what is next.

Another hospital is a great idea but just in the right location that will cause the least amount of problems like the proposed hospital before the BOS right now. On plenty of land and virtually no existing neighbors to be disturbed. As a matter of fact that other proposed hospital will increase land values over there not hurt them.

I have not seen a thing in writing about anything from anyone that says this hospital can never never expand and surrounding homes values will not be hurt. And they are still hurt if they do not go up at the same rate as similar homes in other parts of the boardlands in the future because of this hospital.

Lee j



Lee j

[Mr Rogers]

Originally Posted by vacliff

Nonsensical argument since neither of your first two bullet points was ever a possibility. The property is zoned for millions of square feet of commercial space. Has been since they turned over the first spade of earth in Broadlands.
I'll use my house as an example. Some people, like Lee, think I have a very valuable and rare commodity for this area (the view) that adds an incredible amount of value to my home. Others will look at it and say "backs to a 4-lane road, no backyard, I don't want it."

And don't forget the fact that Van Metre just sold the closest lots to the hospital entrance in the past few months. I don't think they discounted prices any because of it. The few people who bought there that I spoke to are well aware of the hospital and it did not deter them.

I was not putting the first two bullet points as a possibility for this piece of property (although I would love to have a 9 hole executive golf course there). I was REFUTING a previous statement that the hospital will not have a negative effect on the homes directly adjacent to it. It was an explanation of the variable that come into play with the actual price of a house.
I think that it was far from nonsense. I was keeping it simple, but my guesstimates on the effect of different adjacent property.

FYI, we bought a 5000 sq ft house for the same price of a 2600 house at Belmont CC (7 years ago). Please, just admit that a hospital will not attract residents; Even doctors don't want to live next door to a hospital! The exception are those who were considering Leisure World as an option. (Seniors are always concerned with the nearest hospital not being too far away).

[Skins fan]

Lee,

You need to get your facts straight. You are wrong about the taxes and road improvements. The offer to widen Belmont between Broadlands and Brambleton is specific to the proposal for BRMC. No other entity has offered the pay to complete this section of Belmont. Cost estimates from several years ago were $8 million and I am sure its more than that now. That is a very substantial savings to taxpayers. In addition, Inova does not pay taxes on their land because they are a non-profit. BRMC would be paying more than $4 million per year. Both hospitals would provide jobs but BRMC would provide them much sooner.

The claims of diminished property values are without merit. Many hospitals coexist in residential neighborhoods where they are much closer to single family homes than BRMC will be. Take a look at Arlington hospital which is completely surrounded by homes with no buffer. The homes around it sell at comparable prices to other homes nearby. Several Loudoun realtors have told me that BRMC would help make Broadlands a more desirable location to live. Some people might not want to live near to a commercial zone with various businesses but others won't mind. That will be the case regardless of whether a hospital is built there or 5 office buildings. Just like Cliff pointed out, some people would value his view but others might focus on the steep back yard and major road. But taxes and property values are not the main point here, meeting the healthcare needs of Loudoun county is.

If BRMC is not built, we won't have another hospital in Loudoun for many years. We will continue not to have many types of specialists and even more of Loudoun residents will have to go to Fairfax or DC for healthcare. Competition will be good and already has been. Loudoun Hospital has made major improvements since BRMC was announced and their reactionary application to build a rehabilitation hospital after Heath South announced plans to build one is proof of how competition is forcing Inova to improve and provide more needed services for the county.

I sincerely hope you will take time to research this issue some more and be open to the fact that there are thousands of people in the county whose healthcare needs are not being met by just one hospital. I hope you agree that those needs are very important and that we must do something now to work towards meeting them.

Skins fan

Originally Posted by Lee

As far as your argument about jobs taxes roads improvements we would get that anyway no matter where this hospital is built and hopefully built where it causes the least problems overall and can expand without causing more controversy's down the road.

[broken skull]

I think it is humourous that people are talking about helicopter noise. I hear helo's in this area quite frequently, and they are never as loud as some of the jet aircraft taking off and landing at dulles.

[softballchick]

I don't suppose the potential for chopper noise would bother you if you don't live adjacent to the property like some of us do.

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