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Greenway new toll rate - July 2010

Discussion in 'General Chat Forum' started by bluepansee, Jul 27, 2010.

  1. Mr. Linux

    Mr. Linux Senior Member & Moderator Forum Staff

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    Erika, I think you might have some inconsistent numbers in your letter:

    You state a daily cost of $25.50 at the beginning and later on you state a $22.50 daily cost. Am I missing something, or not reading your numbers right?

    Also, I might be wrong here since I don't take the Dulles Toll Road to work anymore, but you state a cost of $2.25 for the toll road. Looking at the VDOT webpage with current costs, located at http://www.virginiadot.org/travel/faq-toll.asp , I can't see how you get to that number. Is the VDOT website wrong or do you have a typo for that cost also?

    I'm just trying to understand your numbers, not trying to dispute your concern.
     
  2. Mr. Linux

    Mr. Linux Senior Member & Moderator Forum Staff

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    Erika, I think I'm beginning to understand the confusion and why Mr. Dan Scadling asked to see your numbers. The Greenway Toll is actually $4.50 and that is what they are currently charging. If you go through the toll plaza and onto the Dulles Toll Road, they also charge you an extra $0.75, which is what the Dulles Toll Road charges on all its on/off ramps, for a total of $5.25 You are in fact being charged the 'correct' amount of $4.50 and then the extra $0.75 for getting on the Dulles Toll Road.

    So, your cost, one-way for one car during 'congestion management hours' should be as follows:

    $4.50 - Greenway Charge
    $0.75 - Dulles Toll Road on/off ramp charge (charged at the same time you pay the Greenway toll)
    $1.00 - Dulles Toll Road main plaza toll

    Total one-way for one car during Congestion Management hours: $6.25

    So, for a family where both husband and wife commute and use the Greenway and the full length of the Dulles Toll Road, the daily round-trip cost would be $25.00 ($12.50 total for each car, per day)

    Someone please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
     
  3. lilpea

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    Yeah...I didn't clearly explain the various #s in my letter. However when Dan Scandling called I was able to explain:

    I was factoring in the non-rush hour times for the Greenway explains the $25.50 & $22.50.

    There are various entry/exit points for the Toll Road which have rates of $.50, .75 & $1.00. VDOT's website does not aggregate these tolls, they only state the main toll plaza.

    Typically we pick up co-workers who live in Reston/Herndon so we end up paying an extra toll but we can utilize the HOV lanes. That's how I derived my $2.25 (DTR)

    Hope that makes sense and good catch.
     
  4. Mr. Linux

    Mr. Linux Senior Member & Moderator Forum Staff

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    There shouldn't be any $0.50 tolls; all ramps are $0.75 now, per the VDOT website: http://www.virginiadot.org/travel/faq-toll.asp as well as per the Dulles Toll Road website itself: http://www.metwashairports.com/tollroad/929.htm

    $0.75 for all on/off ramps and $1.00 at the main toll plaza by Tysons.
     
  5. lilpea

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    Would it help if I uploaded a copy of our bill. It clearly shows $5.25 for the Dulles Greenway (new rates effective July 1, 2010)?
     
  6. Mr. Linux

    Mr. Linux Senior Member & Moderator Forum Staff

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    That amount is correct. It's $4.50 for the Greenway and $0.75 for the Dulles Toll Road, since you're getting on it as soon as you pass the toll plaza.

    No need to post your bill. All I'm saying is that you're NOT being overcharged. You're stating that the Greenway is charging you $5.25, but only $4.50 actually goes to them. The other $0.75 goes to the owners of the Dulles Toll Road; you're paying both at the same time since you're moving from one tollroad to another.

    The new rate is $4.50 for the Greenway, THAT'S what's posted everywhere, and that's the amount they actually get. You're lumping the two tolls together in your numbers. You're not being overcharged.
     
  7. lilpea

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    Eric - I don't think I stated we are being overcharge for the Greenway, but if I did thank you for explaining the cost breakdown.

    IMHO: It comes down to the way it is reported on the bill. It shows a $5.25 for the Greenway, it does not itemize the cost to reflect $.75 (of the $5.25) is going to the Toll Road. Not to be argumentative, but I disagree with your assertion that I am lumping the bills, VDOT is (not me).
     
  8. Mr. Linux

    Mr. Linux Senior Member & Moderator Forum Staff

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    All I'm saying is that Statement #1 in your letter lacks some accuracy:

    The Greenway is charging you $4.50 and the Dulles Toll Road is charging you $0.75. You're actually paying 2 tolls, from two different tollroad owners, for two different roads, but the charges are lumped together...

    At this point, let's just move on...
     
  9. jwf

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    Either way that is probably over $5,000 a year cost for them and that is just plan highway robbery. I am glad they are losing toll revenue. The less people that ride it the more they will raise their rates and the more people will say enough until finally something has to give.

    If this happened over 200 years ago I bet today we would be talking about the Greenway Party instead of the Tea Party.
     
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    Thanks for posting the links and letters Erica. When I have a few moments, I will definitely be emailing. It is ridiculous how much we pay for the Greenway and we avoid it as much as we can.......typically taking LCP/Waxpool/28 to Herndon/Reston in the mornings. But the exit at 28 and off of 28 are horrendous in the evenings when we are rushing for daycare pick-up and sports activities, so we end up paying it. Even the insane amount to get off the Greenway at 606 sometimes!!!! Hopefully something will change and soon though I'm not optimistic. Then again there seems to be a small ray of hope with OB so maybe it *is* possible.
     
  11. Ken

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    Interesting link: http://www.macquarieatlasroads.com/asset-portfolio/dulles-greenway.htm

    Click on the Financials tab. There are PDFs with details of all the financials with the Greenway.

    Last year they LOST nearly $28M. In fact, at least going back to 2004, it's never come close to actually making money. Time for the state to buy out the private owners I say.
     
  12. flynnibus

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    Accounting is a wonderful magic isn't it?

    Especially when they can depreciate over 10 million a year.

    The road according to them has has a historical investment of roughly 410mil in infrastructure... yet they have almost a BILLION in debt.

    It's not setup to make a profit they can report... because the SCC also limits how much they can charge with profit in mind. So instead they structure things to always be in the red... and use the cash flow from tolls.

    Yet, they were attractive enough to buy? Hardly... this is some major shell game IMHO.
     
  13. jwf

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    hberg give me some of your tots

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    Lucky that you get to. Most of us do not. It is only gettign worse. With Metro coming out here, the Dulles Toll Road will increase it's toll to pay for the metro. So the $12.60 I pay a day (x2 for two cars) will be going up again soon. I hate the greedway and try to only take it one way in the a.m. I value the time I spend with my little one at home too much not to but I hate it being a slave to it. :devil2:
     
  15. twohokies

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    You and me both!
     
  16. Ken

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    Wow, that's interesting... and even shadier than I thought.
     
  17. jwf

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    hberg give me some of your tots

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    Totally agree. There is no way they are not making money. I agree accounting can be skewed. Shameful.

    I sent an email to Congressman Wolf as well.

    The comments on the WTOP site were all over the place. Love the person that moved to Fairfax because they hate the look and feel of Ashburn. I say good riddance.
     
  19. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    That went away with the first round of the recent increases (2009?)

    From the financials.. vdot is doing pretty good. over 2% take on all smarttag transactions.

    I fully expect smarttag to change the minimun auto refill amount to $70 or more soon. They are losing too much money on the $35 replenishments every few days for most people.
     
  20. Ken

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    They increased mine to $75 because we were (emphasis on were) frequent users of the Greenway.
     

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