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INOVA Petitions Found to be Fraudulent

Discussion in 'Broadlands Community Issues' started by afgm, Dec 15, 2008.

  1. Buffettbassman

    Buffettbassman Troll Extrordinare'

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    Without any jest, comedy or sarcasm: No ma'am. With all due respect...you've done that all by yourself.
     
  2. Buffettbassman

    Buffettbassman Troll Extrordinare'

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    This is GOOD.... I'll be using that again! Nicely done!
     
  3. jaxmanjoe

    jaxmanjoe Blah, Blah, Blah

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    Whether deserved or not, this entire thread has been one long, vicious attack and I'm a little surprised it has been allowed to continue this long. Would the moderators please close this thread and may I suggest, if the bashing must continue, that it be moved to the politics forum?

    We presumably don't allow personal attacks on the politics forum and I'm sure we should not condone or join in them here in the community issues forum. Frankly, the community issue raised by this thread has been drowned out for some time now.

    We now have 7 pages of name calling and accusation that would make the 'Best of the Politics Forum' highlights reel. Let's not make it 8, please.

    Thanks
     
  4. T8erman

    T8erman Well-Known Member

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    Ummmmmmm, NO!
     
  5. afgm

    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

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    How can Inova tactics be construed as being a personal attack? How can the effort to bring light to a "community disservice" be a personal attack? This is about fighting back against bogus, vicious corporate tactics. If the reader thinks this is personal than the entire message is being missed. Please re-read the entire thread with a filter on evaluating the tactics. This is about a corporation that is defrauding the neighborhood, community and the County.

    Frankly, if it weren't for this forum, they'd be REALLY getting away with it.
     
  6. Mr Rogers

    Mr Rogers Active Member

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    Without Donna's and others activism for the past few years, very few of the concessions that have already been made by HCA would have happened. I think that a historical perspective on what the project was initially supposed to be and the changes that have already been made warrant a "thank you" from the community and BHOA to Donna.

    Congratulations Donna, on the work that you have already done.
     
  7. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    Unfortunately, Donna refused to meet with HCA or discuss any sort of compromises. She even refused to be a member of the Hospital Task Force when I set that up several years ago. She was the first person I asked.
    As a Board member, she was opposed to the Board having discussions or addressing the hospital issue.
    That's the historical truth of her involvement.
    If you are opposed to the hospital, then you can thank her. She has led that charge.
     
  8. Nova Native

    Nova Native New Member

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    Because the squeaky wheel never gets the grease.
     
  9. Buffettbassman

    Buffettbassman Troll Extrordinare'

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    In response to stopping the thread...

    I have no personal agenda, animus, hatred or anything against Donna. I grew up in a VERY political family in NJ. Grandfather, Grandmother, Mother, Uncles... Frankly, I love the Internet(s). I really do. The more sunshine the better and there is NO illusion of privacy. A simple subpoena can identify the poster, very easily!

    The truth is this....and certainly Cliff can bear this out...when you publically take a position - doesn't matter what - and you set yourself out as the leader/spokesperson, you NO LONGER are a private citizen. You've become a public figure.

    Donna, Cliff, and anyone else who assumes those positions are fair game within the constraint of their willingness to pursue a slight through the courts. Why Donna deserves special protection from ridicule is beyond me. I don't know either Cliff or Donna and I would feel the same way even if I did.

    There is no fair in any of this... I would love to believe that every person who advances a public position does so with the purest of motives and the kindest of hearts however, history and in full recognition of my own past public advocacy tells me that there is always a motivating self interest at the heart of it all. It may be money; it may be paying back, it maybe righting an injustice...whatever. It's still there and it distorts the reality of things, like it or not. I saw this everyday roaming the halls of the General Assembly in Richmond and daily at my job now at the Federal level.

    When ever I see something as hotly debated, I always follow a rule I learned in UVA B-School..."follow the money". The money trail makes things very clear on what the self interests truly are.

    My Grandfather, God rest his Democratic soul, always couched it in these terms: "If you don't want to get hit by lightning, stay out of the storm".
    If you don't want to be ridiculed, stay out of the public light.

    It's that simple. If you choose to go foward, then you get all of it...good and bad. No one, NO ONE, gets a free pass.
     
  10. T8erman

    T8erman Well-Known Member

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    Stretching a tad bit don't you think? I would agree to point until Inova (and Donna?) started the fear campaign. I took it that Inova couldn't stand on its' own merits and had to run a smear campaign.

    For those of us who support BRMC, most of us feel it should be built by now and for me personally, I would have taken the hospital as "was" without the concessions AS IT IS NEEDED NOW.

    As for who got the current concessions, I would wager a hefty bet that it was mostly the people who are FOR the hospital and HCA trying to assuage the current board.

    Oh, and let's not forget how many improvements Inova has made. Do think all of them would have been done without the specter of BRMC being built? AHHHH, Competition! What a wonderful thing. ;)

    "Congratulations Donn.... HCA, on the work that you have already done."
     
  11. afgm

    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

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    Let's play along with this idea for a minute.

    Mr. Rogers, if Donna's mission was to get concessions from INOVA then what is she currently holding out for. Is the current concession package not adequate? What is she holding out for in a concession that will make her drop this issue. What turns the corner and makes her say "OK, BRMC has met the requirements, let the building begin".

    The answer is there is no end to her mission other than anillation of BRMC. Concessions have nothing to do with this from INOVA's or Donna's point of view. If this is Donna's new and latest spin on her activism, she may have scraped the bottom. But I doubt it.

    (How appropriate, page 8)

     
  12. Buffettbassman

    Buffettbassman Troll Extrordinare'

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    /golf clap for page 8.
     
  13. Donna F

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    Cliff…really…it is amazing how often you get away with saying things that aren’t true and that are often times inappropriate.

    I refused to sit down with HCA and discuss any sort of compromise? Really…
    When was I asked, and who did the asking?

    I refused to be a member of the task force? Really…
    When was I asked to be a member? As the minutes will reflect, I did attend those meetings in lieu of being an official member.

    I opposed any discussions on this hospital issue when I was on the Board? Really…
    Are you sure I didn’t want to discuss it because it was such controversial subject and one that has divided this community, so I thought it best that we, as a board remain neutral.

    To think I used to defend you.
     
  14. Mr. Linux

    Mr. Linux Senior Member & Moderator Forum Staff

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    Donna, I have personally heard you say that there should be no compromise about BRMC; they should not build in Broadlands has always been your line. Have you changed your stance now? What sort of compromises would you suggest in order to be happy to have BRMC built here in Broadlands? Notice I'm asking about compromises for building in Broadlands; don't feed me the Rt 50 nonsense...

    I seem to remember this very issue discussed here on the forums when this all took place. I vaguely remember you turning something down for some reason or another. Maybe someone can find a quote or something...

    Personally, I believe the only reason you didn't want it discussed was because you were in a minority position and knew you would be the only person against BRMC. Also, and this is my very personal opinion, if you really cared about how this issue has divided our community, you would/should have done many things very differently. I feel that your motto is "the end justifies the means". You knew very early on that you were taking a position and that your actions would divide our community for many, many years. Your position against BRMC over the past years have divided our community much, much more than what a 'discussion of a controversial subject" by the Board would have done. Discussion is healthy, your actions over the last few years have been far from being 'healthy'.

    You're playing the same card time after time you're put on the spot; you blame others and play the "I'm the victim" song. No Donna, you are NOT the victim, our community is. We are a victim of Inova's, CCoB's and your actions.

    To hear you say you are 'concerned' about dividing our community is simply insulting.
     
  15. Buffettbassman

    Buffettbassman Troll Extrordinare'

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    "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve." - Isoroku Yamamoto:bow:
     
  16. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    Truth hurts, doesn't it. Everything I said was true and you just admitted it some of it in your own response.
    As I said, you were the FIRST person I asked to be on the Task Force. You refused. After it was formed, you developed an interest and started attending to observe.

    The inappropriate things you have said and done are down right mind numbing. From medical incinerators, to spreading lies about medical waste (until the source of your pictures was pointed out. I went on two wild goose chases to Reston Hospital's dumpsters where you said you saw the debris. Then it is pointed out that the pictures were taken from inside of medical waste containers...something you probably had access to due to your employment), to what is obvious to everyone (but you it seems) about inappropriate use of email addresses, to the continued attempts to cover up the ridiculous lists you turned in....the list goes on and on....

    Believe me...you are the last person I would ever want defending me.

    Oh, so why don't you enlighten us all as to how you have tried to work with HCA and what concessions/improvements you have gotten them to put in the proposal? After all, you seem to be implying my comment that you did nothing is not true.
     
  17. afgm

    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

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    Cliff has integrity on his side! Big plus here, very big plus.
     
  18. GCyr

    GCyr New Member

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    I was a member of the BRMC home owners' task force that Cliff formed, and I agree 100% with what Cliff said about Donna and the task force. I remember very well when Donna brought up the topic of the medical waste incinerator that was supposedly mentioned in the BRMC COPN application. It was never in the application and BRMC never intended to use an incinerator. Instead, they intend to use a contracted medical waste disposal company just like other hospitals do. However, she still posted that false incinerator story out here in the forums to create fear in the home owners. She said that she retracted the bit about the incinerator but I must have missed it.
     
  19. jaxmanjoe

    jaxmanjoe Blah, Blah, Blah

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    Why would I need to use a filter to evaluate the tactics unless there is something besides a discussion of the tactics? By using a filter I can only assume you want me to ignore all the personal attacks. I didn't miss the initial purpose of the thread. You sort of prove my point, don't you?

    Again, I appreciate the actual information contained in the thread so I can evaluate the tactics myself but the added commentary is beyond the norm for the boards rules on personal attacks and I find it unfortunate that the administrators have been a large part of this transgression. I believe the rules were set up to keep these public boards civil and I think the administrators have a responsibility to stay within the guidelines they themselves set up.

    I think you need to go back and reread the threads and turn off your filter.
     
  20. afgm

    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

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    What you see as personal attacks is what I see is INOVA's deceptive warfare against competition. We obviously will not agree.
     

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