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Facebook changes the RULES.

Discussion in 'General Chat Forum' started by Brassy, Feb 17, 2009.

  1. Brassy

    Brassy Hiyah

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    Brassy, Feb 17, 2009
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  2. Ozgood

    Ozgood Not a space alien

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    People need to understand what they are signing up for when they join these "free" sites. Thanks for posting this.
     
    Ozgood, Feb 17, 2009
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  3. aoakley

    aoakley New Member

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    maybe I'm missing something but it says this,

    Ownership; Proprietary Rights

    Except for User Content and Applications/Connect Sites, all materials, content and trademarks on the Facebook Service are the property of Facebook and/or its licensors and are protected by all relevant IP laws and other proprietary rights (including copyright, trademark, trade dress and patent laws) and any other applicable laws.

    User content is defined as content I upload (a few paragraphs up). How can they own it?

    http://www.facebook.com/terms.php?ref=pf
     
    aoakley, Feb 17, 2009
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  4. Mr. Linux

    Mr. Linux Senior Member & Moderator Forum Staff

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    Yes, you still 'own' your content, but you give them the right to do with it as they wish.
     
    Mr. Linux, Feb 17, 2009
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  5. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    If you read MZ's blog post.. its more about legase then changing the way the world works.

    Personally I think it's a sign of the burden of legal in technology. What would be bad is if Facebook decides to share your information outside of the privacy settings you have defined.

    If you've uploaded a photo with the setting of it only being visible to a few friends - then for them to re-use it in some other promotion/marketing/etc would be disingenuous to your intent and would get them in pretty hot water with the community. Given Facebook is still struggling to have a business model - doing things that flush your community probably isn't high on their things to do.
     
    flynnibus, Feb 17, 2009
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  6. luftinarr

    luftinarr Member

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  7. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    They have said on Facebook they are reverting the change for now.

    It's all just legalese anyways.. more media huff and puff then anything.

    It's like when Chrome had a copy/paste error in their EULA. That was just a simple mistake which they quickly fixed yet the 'news' about it when on for a week or more because of people grasping at sensationalism.
     
    flynnibus, Feb 18, 2009
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  8. marianne

    marianne Puppy Mommy

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    I was pretty sure this needed to be fixed, since Facebook has apps on there that are still owned by the app developers, like Zynga. I have fun on Facebook, so that's why I use it, lol.

    Marianne
     
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  9. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    The license changes did nothing to change who OWNED the stuff - simply that it granted them a license to use it. It's legalese to try to cover the idea that they don't remove your content even after you delete your site, because your content exists in other people's pages as well.

    Just like the icon for the application owned by Zynga could still be shown on a page even if the Zynga application were no longer used, etc.
     
    flynnibus, Feb 18, 2009
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  10. sharse

    sharse TeamDonzi rocks!!

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    anyone who puts stuff on the internet, regardless of the URL, and thinks this stuff might be safe, private, or whatever, needs to have a reality check. So I don't completely understand the hype over this one.
     
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  11. Ozgood

    Ozgood Not a space alien

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    Sharse, I agree. There should be NO expectation of privacy with the Internet
     
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  12. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    The thing that threw the flag for people was 'I can't remove my stuff'. People have an expectation (incorrectly) that they can retract what they've previously submitted online. There is a huge understanding gap in users between what they own and what they control. People abuse the claim of 'copyright infringement' constantly.

    Plus, they forget the net is constantly being spidered, scrapped, and indexed by Google, and others.

    'Here today, Gone Tomorrow' is just about impossible on the web anymore.

    Someday we'll get legislation that is up to speed with digital distribution, hosting, and intermediaries. Someday... :)
     
    flynnibus, Feb 18, 2009
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  13. sharse

    sharse TeamDonzi rocks!!

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    OK... that makes sense. I'd expect that if I posted a photo or two and decided next month I wanted to take them down, that I could indeed take them down. Yeah, they'll be stored in the memory of some server in Omaha for decades, but I'd expect them to be off my page at least. Is that not correct?
     
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