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Chesepeake Bay Preservation : LoCo proposal

Discussion in 'General Chat Forum' started by mwb2218, Apr 27, 2010.

  1. Dawne

    Dawne HOA Sec/Treas, Tech Comm

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    The Hearing before the Board of Supervisors was well attended. There were about 150 people in the audience and more than 65 scheduled speakers. There were approximately 20 people against the Bay Act for every speaker in favor of passage.

    Comments ranged from homeowners to HOA's to community associations to commercial developers. All seemed to be against the proposed Bay Act.

    Many brought up the fact that Fairfax and Prince William adopted similar measures decades ago - but had no evidence that it had benefited the ChesaBay.

    Some very interesting groups showed up to speak. You can watch the whole thing from the webcast archives at http://loudoun.granicus.com/ViewPublisher.php?view_id=35.
     
  2. Dawne

    Dawne HOA Sec/Treas, Tech Comm

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  3. msflynn

    msflynn New Member

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    This was sent to those of us that have subscribed to Stevens Millers updates. Since he states he will be having community meetings I was not sure how many others would be interested in this information.

    Dear Neighbor,

    You have probably heard that the County is considering passage of a version of the Chesapeake Bay Preservation Act. A lot of people have asked me about it and about the effect it might have on residents of the Dulles district. I have had detailed conversations about it with County staff and have reviewed the relevant documents. It is clear to me that the Act would have no effect on the rights or property values of the vast majority of Dulles homeowners. The only parcels affected are those that include part of the Resource Protection Area (the "RPA"), or where some new land use will take up more than 2,500 square feet.

    I have learned that a couple of organizations are deliberately trying to confuse people by leading them to believe that the "RPA Screening Area" is the same as the RPA. This is false. For parcels in the Screening Area, outside the RPA, if your swing-set, shed, or deck is under 2,500 square feet, the Bay Act has absolutely no effect on you. Please note that existing uses, such as your house, patio, dog-house, and so on, are NOT counted in that 2,500 square-foot limit. Likewise, anything you do inside your house is NOT counted (like finishing your basement).

    Monday night, we were visited in the Board room by over 60 speakers. Many of them provided their home addresses on the speakers' sign-up sheet. Some of those stated, "My parcel is in the RPA." I used the public mapping system and discovered that not all of them were in the RPA. Those speakers were in the RPA Screening Area. Others simply said, "My parcel is in the RPA Screening Area," and then went on to speak against the Act, apparently because they believed the RPA and the Screening Area are the same thing.

    This, plus a very helpful chat I had with a neighbor recently (during which he cogently pointed out that the County has bungled the job of making the difference between the RPA and the Screening Area clear), has convinced me that we need to hold off any votes until people have had a fair opportunity to learn what they want to know about the Act.

    At the same time that the county needs to improve its communication with the public about this issue, there are private groups putting out a lot of phony information, apparently for reasons that serve their commercial or political interests. That's not helpful and, if you receive any such stuff, I'd be grateful if you'd forward it to me so I can be aware of it. Scaring people for money is a practice I'd like to fight.

    Although it's called the "Bay" Act, its supporters endorse it because of its potential to protect our own sources of drinking water. With over three-fourths of our county's streams in "stressed" condition (or worse), it seems well past time to adopt better practices so our water will be safe to drink. However, for those residents living on parcels that actually do overlap the RPA, I want to be sure they are not subject to unreasonable burdens or costs. I believe that protecting our water supply is something we can and should do, but that we can and should do it fairly, with respect for the rights of each individual.

    I'll be doing some community meetings on this before a final vote. Please go to http://www.loudoun.gov/Default.aspx?tabid=1957 and click on "Subscribe to My Mailing List" to be sure you get a reminder.

    Best wishes,
    Stevens

    Staci
     
  4. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    Dear Supervisor Miller,

    The fact if you are in the RPA or not is a mystery because the County wants to pass legislation before even it knows where the RPA is. A delineation the County proposes passing onto the residents to shoulder the burden of proof they are in or not such a RPA limit. Yet the county will blackball everyone's property who IS in the RPA Screening Area until they prove otherwise.

    So for this burden the RPA Screening area IS just as relevant as the RPA. So its use as a 'am I affected tool?' is legit and valid. Because even if your proposed change isn't within the true RPA - the RPA screening boundary as it is today means the county will require you to go through the process of delineation and extra zoning requirements.

    If the county would actually delineate the RPA properly then the county would actually have a real world list of affected individuals. Instead we have almost 50% of the county's parcels that 'may' be affected... and its up to you Mr Resident to prove one way of another.

    Guilty until proven innocent. Maybe the slogan should be "I may not be a victim of the Bay Area Act, but I play one on the Loudoun County Website"
     
  5. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    I'm working on getting a large 5-6 foot map of Broadlands that shows the known RPA buffer and the RPA screening tool buffer overlaid on it.
    When I get it, I'll post it in the Nature Center.
     
  6. Mr. Linux

    Mr. Linux Senior Member & Moderator Forum Staff

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    Save some ink and only show the areas that are NOT affected ;)

    Keep us posted when you get that up at the NC - Thanks.
     
  7. Mike-and-Kim

    Mike-and-Kim Member

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    no disturb zone - chesapeake bay preservation act

    I was curious as to whether our property was affected. Found these directions on Loudouni in the comments section of http://www.loudouni.com/video/news/2010-05-27/opinions-chesapeake-bay-preservation-act:

    "Help your neighbors find out if they are in the no disturb/must plant indigenous trees (250 per acre required) RPA 200 foot plus zone. Many who are not near any stream will be shocked to find out their lots are completely within the proposed no disturb area, because the new proposed expansive definition of "perennial body of water" to include every drainage swale in the County (all to be buffered and planted.)
    There are 13 steps to find the extent of Resource Protection Areas on your property. Here they are:
    1. Go to www.loudoun.gov
    Click on “Assessments/Parcels” under e-Services
    Click on box “Yes” at bottom
    Click on circle “Property Address”
    Put your address in empty box (do not use “Road”)
    Click box “Submit”
    Click on “Map It”
    Click “Yes” box
    Click on “Map Layers” on top left tab
    Click on “Land Records” box
    Click on “Environmental”
    Click box for “Buildings” and for “Draft RPA Screening Tool”
    Click on “Apply” oval at bottom left. Tan areas are your resource protection areas that require preservation. Dots are buildings."


    Appears we are in the proposed zone. Mike


     
  8. Brooke

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    This board says that this topic has "moved". Ok, to where was it moved. I'd like to follow this topic. Thanks.
     
  9. Mr. Linux

    Mr. Linux Senior Member & Moderator Forum Staff

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    It was moved here, where you posted your message...
     
  10. afgm

    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

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    Stevens, it is my understanding we get our water from Fairfax. I am not sure the quoted argument provides a direct benefit to Loudoun water. Seems to me Fairfax should be participating, and I've heard they aren't interested. If the real goal here is to protect our drinking water shouldn't efforts be focused on lobbying Fairfax to be part of this Act? I am not sure I buy into the strategy of Loudoun being a part of the initial vanguard on this effort. I am not willing to pay for it, as it won't directly impact the water I use which is from Fairfax.

     
  11. afgm

    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

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    Here's another issue I've not heard.

    Are HOAs going to be forced to regulate this ordinance? Will HOAs be required to identify and monitor effected areas? Will architectural review boards be required to include this new ordnance in the approval process?

    I certainly hope not. Can you imagine the additional cost and potential liability this would burden HOAs with?
     
  12. Mr. Linux

    Mr. Linux Senior Member & Moderator Forum Staff

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    My 'unofficial' answer would be no to all these questions, unless we are talking about common area or HOA owned property. In these cases, the HOA will have to bear the costs, just like a homeowner would for things affecting their property.
     
  13. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    Why would they? These would be county zoning rules. HOA doesn't enforce building codes or county zoning today - even in ARB processes.
     
  14. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    Fairfax county is one of the 84 jurisdictions that were REQUIRED to adopt the CBPA.
     
  15. afgm

    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

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    Based on how this thing is being rolled out, I'd like to have definitive assurances that HOAs will not be part of the approval, monitoring or enforcement aspects of any regulation. It's a valid question.

    Assuming that these aspects can be deemed a County issue and not a HOA issue, then how much is it going to cost all of us to enforce this ordnance. Seems to me we will need to expend more resources and money to do so. I'd like to know how much? How many more staff FTEs will need to be hired?

    Also, how the heck is a 10x10 shed going to impact the Bay?

     
  16. afgm

    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

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    Thanks for the clarification vacliff. Another example of how hard it is to figure out the impact or dynamics of this proposed ordnance.

     
  17. mwb2218

    mwb2218 New Member

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    I know both of these have been asked by some people in Brambleton and the response was it could be administered w/ current county staff. My response is that there is 10 overhead FTE's we could remove from the budget next year then, assuming this thing is not passed.
     
  18. Traci

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    FYI... Stevens Miller will be speaking on both this & the CTP on June 17th @ 6:30 pm. Please note there has been a location change to Eagle Ridge Middle School.
     
  19. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    Here's the announcement from Supervisor Miller's Office:

    Supervisor Stevens Miller would like to hear the Dulles District residents’ opinions regarding the Chesapeake Bay Preservation Act (CBPA) and the Countywide Transportation Plan. Supervisor Miller will be hosting a community meeting to discuss concerns with Dulles District residents. Staff will make a presentation about the CBPA and answer questions from attendees. Supervisor Miller is inviting residents to attend the following community meeting:

    Thursday, June 17th at 6:30 pm, Eagle Ridge Middle School
     
  20. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    The map is now posted in the Nature Center. It is in the hallway between the lobby and the conference room.
     

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