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Southern Walk HOA Board of Directors meeting

Discussion in 'Broadlands Community Issues' started by kevinq, Oct 31, 2013.

  1. Capricorn1964

    Capricorn1964 Well-Known Member

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    Like I said--- they make their own rules and will not hesitate to employ the HOA lawyers at OUR expense to keep it that way....so as long they sit on the board as long as they own homes here. Like a neighbor told me, its their own personal fiefdom and they ain't gonna relinquish it for as long as they can. The problem is that the BULK of the neighborhood dont give a hoot because if the increase happens, they are rich enough to afford it. Its like "Oh, whats another 15 bucks, its nothing!" mentality here.
     
  2. cobymom

    cobymom Sheila Ryan

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    They don't need to read the minutes out loud, every board member should get a packet before the meeting that includes the last meeting's minutes, the current meeting's agenda, etc. If there's a problem with the minutes as taken by the secretary, this is when changes should be made. By approving the previous meeting minutes, they basically are stating that the minutes were reviewed and are correct. Then they should be signed by the secretary. If they've said that a previous meeting's approved, signed minutes are incorrect, then they aren't reviewing the minutes properly.
     
  3. cogs

    cogs Well-Known Member

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    Everytime I was there, management agent was taking down the minutes. Not sure if it is voluntary or a paid responsibility. I am not questioning the correctness of the minutes but the lack of details of the minutes.

    OTOH, I do believe Mr. Hines and Ms. Cotti lied to me in the meeting when the claimed differently about the delinquent assessment policy attachment. I saw Mr. Hines ripping out the last page of the minutes package before handing it to me, which I believe is the policy document. For some reason, they did not want me to see it. Wonder why they want to hide it from me.
     
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  4. cogs

    cogs Well-Known Member

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    Editing my post:
    They adopted the minutes at the beginning of the minutes. I asked for the minutes packet at the end of the open session and Mr. Hines gave it to me ripping out the last page. In the following month's meeting, Mr. Hines claimed that there was never an attachment and minutes were wrong. Ms. Cotti claimed that the entire section was wrong and should not have been included in the minutes. Having seen Mr. Hines ripping out the last page of the minutes packet before handing it over to me, I don't believe their later claims. They are just trying to hide the delinquent assessment policy document.
     
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  5. T8erman

    T8erman Well-Known Member

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    - Yes, history will likely repeat itself if there are no changes to the SWHOA board.

    I am all for getting out of the OB contract... but at what price? The current board operates in a vacuum and apparently, without regards to their FELLOW residents.
    Personally, I think a little more transparency is called for. As for cogs questioning what they are doing, YEA!
    We have watchdogs everywhere for our State and Federal Governments, why should we want less for our SWHOA who has a level of control over the "voters".
     
  6. cogs

    cogs Well-Known Member

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    wolf685cln,

    SWHOA dragged BHOA into the court without discussing with them first.
    Erika Cotti was not receptive to Mr. Simpson's offer to take her concerns or issues to BHOA board if she gives them in writing. Ms. Cotti was not receptive to the idea, instead she choose to go to the court.

    Do you support this action? Explain why.
     
  7. wolf685cln

    wolf685cln New Member

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    There have been questions, yes. There have also been, outright fallacies, and unsubstantiated allegations, and just head scratchers (like the watermark comment - was the motion passed to simply add the name to each watermark, or was the motion to redesign the entire watermark per request and charge the homeowner for it?).

    Cogs is no saint, he's guilty of the very same crimes he holds the board in contempt for. Being able criticize via hindsight isn't related to the ability succeed under fire, if it were the NFL would look like a Sunday afternoon in some of our basements. He may make a decent watchdog, hall monitor, what have you - but thats not that the job posting states nor what he would be doing should raw animosity drive him into a seat.

    cogs is 1 in 1,112. Has anyone similar experiences to report, being denied documentation, etc? A .09% affected population with a 0% recurrence rate doesn't make a horse a horse. To be clear, I am not saying that cogs was being treated fairly or unfairly - I don't know the answer to that and I could see the scales tipping either way if every shred of evidence on both sides were put before us.I asked for more transparency a couple years ago, and remain a big proponent of it. I hate this situation, I hate the trail of damage left in its wake, and want to be done with it as soon as possible - for nothing more that starting the process of forgetting just vile this has become.

    Hovering over the screen waiting, hoping for the BoS to deny OB, writing writing and rewriting letters to try and drive home the point that this is utterly beyond ethical. listening to the trial activity and refreshing minute by minute, all reminds me of a day when the mission was clear: Nullify the OB agreement - period.

    Now...everyone is a criminal, 'swhoa' is stealing from us, our 'bhoa' information isn't safe in the 'swhoa's' presence - its just a mess, and insulting at that.

    Go revisit for yourself sometime, it's quite nostalgic and fun to see the progress and excitement. Especially those who seemed to have lost favor based exclusively on cogs' diatribes here. It's a shame that we can't leverage everyone's strengths in this fight and apply them in concert to punch OpenBand in the mouth - once for putting us here in the first place, and once more for the pain associated with getting out of it.
     
  8. wolf685cln

    wolf685cln New Member

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    My thoughts on the BHOA involvement? I think it makes sense in that it enforces discovery. I have no clue what lies in the crypts beneath the BHOA, but if there is something there that would in any way, shape, or form help to bolster our case (show coercion, negligence, etc) then i think it's the right move. BHOA, at the time was central in the execution of easements that OB hides behind. I'm actually surprised they have stayed under radar this far into the game. I don't believe this is a move to extort damages from 'our' HOA, but again, just my post-flu ramblings.As to why so and so isn't working with so and so? You got me there. Not sure that something like this is left to a gentleman's agreement and a handshake. I don't even do that with folks who rear-end me and 'pinky swear' to take care of everything off the grid. Just do it the right way, if everything is up-and-up then it will all work out anyway.
     
  9. cogs

    cogs Well-Known Member

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    Wolf685cln,
    Can you elaborate on the questions you are referring to, keeping me out of it.
     
  10. hornerjo

    hornerjo Senior Member

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    So its ok to break the law if it only affects a low percent of the population?
     
  11. cogs

    cogs Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for leaving me out of this post. Lets keep it that way a little longer.

    None of know if this thing can be resolved by negotiations between the two HOAs. Unfortunately, Ms. Cotti admitted she has not contacted BHOA since 2010 and she refused to do so now, yet she rants about how evil BHOA is in the meetings. VaCliff posted elsewhere that he offered to work toward joining BHOA with SWHOA lawsuit as the user of Openband services. Ms Cotti refused.

    My point is, litigation and discovery process must come if and only if the discussions fail. What is being done now is blatant abuse of power.

    What do you think?
     
  12. cogs

    cogs Well-Known Member

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    Take a load of this.
    Ms. Cotti complained in one of the board meetings that, out of the 1117 residents I am the only one asking for inspection of documents as if that makes me the undesirable person of the community.
    Such is the mindset.
     
  13. wolf685cln

    wolf685cln New Member

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    Not a mindset cogs, just simply a number. Again, I'm not saying that you were or were not treated in accordance of the law. And no, I did not state that it was OK to break the law even if it affects one resident. What I am saying is that we have your side of the story, an incomplete picture from SWHOA side, and the pitchforks are flying. I'd have an easier time piecing together a trend, by any definition, if there are other accounts.As as to keeping you out of my posts cogs: As long as you are running for a seat on my HOA, I will exercise my right to question you, and your statements, and bring any or all concerns out into the public. I'm surprised you even went there.
     
  14. wolf685cln

    wolf685cln New Member

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    "My point is, litigation and discovery process must come if and only if the discussions fail. What is being done now is blatant abuse of power." Sorry, had to google that and don't see any such legal theorem referenced anywhere. Where did you come up with that? And what's the abuse of power here - getting every shred of evidence up front and accounted for?

    So, according to your philosophy, if there is even an offhand chance that there are documents/memos/comminiques showing conspiracy/negligence on behalf of the BHOA (notably, under the control of other folks at the time) that saying 'pretty please' is sufficient? Keep things in context... this is about OB. BHOA is there only in the context in which they acted to facilitate this mess.
     
  15. cobymom

    cobymom Sheila Ryan

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    Regarding the meeting minutes; the meeting minutes are a legal document once they've been approved and signed by the secretary. Ripping out the last page of a document, and/or claiming that the meeting minutes were "wrong" after having been approved by the Board of Directors seems to point to either a sloppily run meeting or an outright misleading of a homeowner member of the association. All members of the association in good standing are legally entitled to examine the books and records of the Association, and that includes the meeting minutes, regardless of their reason for asking for that access or how many homeowners have asked for that access in the past. The HOA is there to serve the interests of all the homeowners, not just those who agree with their actions.
     
  16. KTdid

    KTdid Well-Known Member

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    I think you hit the nail on the head. There're no other accounts which is why this discussion/thread was started. The SWHOA 's failure to communicate perpetuates the perception that they are purposely withholding information.

    Rather than beat up the messenger, why are you not asking SWHOA questions about their activities?
     
  17. Mike OMalley

    Mike OMalley Active Member

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    Because Shashi actually communicates with fellow residents, whereas the SWHOA board hides in their secret clubhouse. It's easier for wolfcln685 to take public shots on this forum than it is to take an interest and attend SWHOA meetings and ask them.
     
  18. wolf685cln

    wolf685cln New Member

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    Nice Mike. Right back at you big guy ;-) Public shots at a wannabe public figure? Who would have thunk it? Your right I've had no involvement, nor interest for that matter, from the get-go. Words of wisdom coming from a fellow neighbor who has a handful rather 'constructive' comments across his tenure.I fail to see the 'communicate' part here. No plan as of last check... just more critical assessments and conjecture - unless you call that communication. Just out of curiosity, when's the last time you've fact-checked anything cogs has written here? KTDid, I am not beating up on a messenger. I am questioning cogs as a runner up for the board. cog's accusations are out there, the board reads them and they choose to respond or not respond for whatever reasons, I'm not here to play middle man and answer on-behalf of the board. Some folks like Mike will take him at face value and call for arms, some like me will question him flat out. How he choses to respond (or not) will help paint a bigger picture of what we can expect. There's more to life than rapid fire accusations.
     
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    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    "Nothing to see here... Move Along..." - wolf685cln
     
  20. Mike OMalley

    Mike OMalley Active Member

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    OK, point taken. What would you expect from the current SWHOA board in its next year, if the current members are re-elected? What would you advocate? Are you satisfied with the current board's actions and accountability? What would you change if you had the opportunity?
     

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