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Southern Walk HOA Board of Directors meeting

Discussion in 'Broadlands Community Issues' started by kevinq, Oct 31, 2013.

  1. cogs

    cogs Well-Known Member

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    Why dont you fact check yourself. You can try asking me.
     
  2. wolf685cln

    wolf685cln New Member

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    you forgot something flynn
     

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  3. cogs

    cogs Well-Known Member

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    You are accusing the current board members of BHOA for being OB cronies. Going by that standards, current board members of SWHOA are also OB cronies.

    Fact is, developers used both these HOAs to carve out themselves some monopoly for themselves. Now, both HOAs are under resident control, and you cannot blame current board members. If you believe Erika Cotti is not responsible for the OB contract, then you have to acknowledge Brian Beahm is not either.

    I do not believe any BHOA board member wants Southern Walk residents to have this mandatory and crappy telecom contract. There might be limitations to how far they can go to help SWHOA, but please dont blame them for what the developers did.
     
  4. wolf685cln

    wolf685cln New Member

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    What would you expect from the current SWHOA board in its next year, if the current members are re-elected? Easy - a big fat W.What would you advocate? Maybe getting a second opinion from a non-biased party if such a thing could ever exist, maybe third opinion to confirm the first - I guess its analogous to getting a few estimates. The legal advisory panel seems like a good idea in context, but am concerned that mustering 4 SW attorneys to volunteer that time will be a stretch. Having a paid council has other considerations attached to it. I also like the idea of watching the case in front of us unfold a bit.Are you satisfied with the current board's actions and accountability? I appreciate the efforts and sacrifices that got us to this point, there have been great strides in certain areas (FCC involvement, BoS push, new state laws enacted, etc), and not so desirable outcomes in others - namely winning the damn case. To cogs credit, it appears that our legal team may have problems sealing the deal. Where he points to LTOP's 'dynamic' legal team as a model for success, I can't see a way for that to happen without associated cost, and a considerable one at that. As far as accountability, see below.What would you change if you had the opportunity? Opening lines of communication across all fronts. I can appreciate the strangleholds of litigation, but I wish the board would/could just openly respond here, or the treehouse, in addition to the meetings. (i rarely make meetings thanks to school conflicts, so catching up in here or the treehouse is the next best thing). Clear and concise responses would go a long way in allaying concerns.
     
  5. wolf685cln

    wolf685cln New Member

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    No, I explicitly noted that it wasn't the current board members. If the CEO of XYZ Corp. pulls a trigger on a golden parachute, XYZ Corp still exists and is responsible for answering for itself - for better or worse. Turnover <> Absolution. No one is casting blame at the current BHOA directors that I've noticed. At least I hope not...
     
  6. cogs

    cogs Well-Known Member

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    Yes, BHOA as an entity still exists, so does SWHOA.
    We all belong to the same community. We need to talk to each other and try to resolve issue before going to the court. I am sure you will agree with that concept.
    Erika Cotti & Co dragged BHOA to the court without any attempt to negotiate just because we gave them the legal resources.
    Thank God, she was not given a gun and the responsibility of protection.

    She abused the power we gave her because of her ego issues. If she cannot talk to the BHOA board members, she should relinquish her responsibility as the President of SWHOA. Try asking her why did SWHOA join forces LOTP in the first place. She will give you an earful about the evil LOPT Board. Not one single valid reason from the litigation perspective.
     
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  7. cogs

    cogs Well-Known Member

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    Reading this gives me the impression that we are on the same side. What is that I am missing?
     
  8. wolf685cln

    wolf685cln New Member

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    ...Thank God, she was not given a gun and the responsibility of protection.Little things like that. And numerous other unsubstantiated public allegations / theories of criminal malfeasance 'just because we gave her legal resources, otoh, i think she and john lied, sinister plots to extort extra funds, etc.etc.etc). I don't question that we share a common goal, to be done with this once and for all (i hope that to be the case anyway). The world is not perfect and there is plenty of room for improvement, I'm just not comfortable with you on the job based on what I've read to date...

    What's with the 'negotiation' bit? I think of negotiation in terms of 'let's repair this before it goes anywhere else'. How can BHOA repair any of it, other than a) handing over the very same records that are now sealed up like fort knox in the nature center, or b) doing something about the easements that they have chosen not to do up to now? What if it weren't BHOA, and some other organization? Would you be so demanding with the negotiation bit or would you lay the SWHOA to waste for leaving a big stone unturned?
     
  9. shim

    shim shim

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    "DITTO"
     
  10. hornerjo

    hornerjo Senior Member

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    So you are ok with the SWHOA illegally charging him for lawyer fees for documents are that to be provided to homeowners at request? You're ok with charging over $500 to copy 250 pages when it can be done for a fraction of the cost at Kinkos? You're ok with a signing draconian NDA that forces anyone signing to comply with international laws and regulations? You want to tell me what all international laws those are you are complying with that if you break the SWHOA can sue you for? You ok with the same NDA forcing you to not even be able to talk to a neighbor next door about public meeting minutes? Which part of any of those are unsubstantiated public allegations?
     
  11. L0stS0ul

    L0stS0ul hmmmm

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    If history is anything to go by we can all expect the current board to continue paying tons of money to incompetent lawyers that can't even put together a coherent argument. We can then expect the judge to throw it out and then we get another assessment placed on us from the board to do it all again all while we are told trust us from the board. That's the last 3 years in a nutshell while landsdown has managed to win a major win without one special assessment.

    I'm not interested in this continuing. We need new representation and if the current board won't do it we need new people in there to do it.
     
  12. T8erman

    T8erman Well-Known Member

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    Yet now with cogs running for the board and bringing up various issues, you choose to get involved. Why now?
     
  13. wolf685cln

    wolf685cln New Member

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    I was being facetious. I entered into this quagmire on the forum Jan. 2011 asking why it was necessary, that I was happy with things just the way they were, OB internet service was great, i read the contract, yadda yadda yadda. Since then, been following fairly closely...
     
  14. hornerjo

    hornerjo Senior Member

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    Actually he's been involved much longer, he wrote a pretty good letter to the district supervisor sometime back. After reading that I am kind of surprised he's not gunning for a lawyer change like cogs is after all these failures...
     
  15. hornerjo

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    So you were fine with the contract? Thats one of the first I have seen for that. :)
     
  16. wolf685cln

    wolf685cln New Member

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    I was fine when I 'thought' there were std. measures of protection. Silly me to assume such a thing.

    On your other post, no, I am not OK with illegal activity by the board. A line item charge on a billing receipt doesn't automatically make that charge illegal - I don't know the full story behind it, so I won't make a claim towards its legitimacy.

    I have signed NDA's that would make your brain float upside down. My experience has been that NDA's are a 100% CYA in the event any information supplied to you is mishandled/leaked - and i would highly expect that now while SWHOA is in litigation. Is all of it necessary, absolutely not.. however, its actually cheaper to do a blanket sweep than having a lawyer custom tailor a specific set of disclosure requirements for a given situation - especially considering that circumstances can change frequently. I wouldn't call it draconian as much as I would call it the path of least resistance/expense.

    I do think we need to visit our legal strategy. They haven't closed the sale, it may be time to move onward. Perhaps that can be addressed on Tue.

    Contrary to Flynn's jab, my recent activity is not to distract anyone from the 'area 51' activity, the community has the right to know and I would like to see feedback from the board on these very same questions. I just have grave concerns with cogs manning a seat. There have been outcries concerning ego and the blinders associated with it. Yet no one has keyed in on / questioned his relentless personal onslaught of Erica/John/SWHOA? Even if it all turns out to be true, do you really want someone on the board whose approach to resolution reflects his handling of this to date? The very same points could have been made without any personal attacks - happens every day in politics. Personally I see a train wreck coming should the community ink him in. I urge all of you to reevaluate his history as it applies to a potential representative holding the reigns on the remainder of this fight.
     
  17. hornerjo

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    So... you think the community has a right to now, you want feedback from the board, not ok with illegal activity by the board yet you question cogs who is trying to get answers to all of that.

    Sounds more to me you are just trying to deflect blame off the board and shift it to cogs.
     
  18. cogs

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    I will respond about the 'unsubstantiated public allegations" later in the afternoon.

    In an earlier post you stated:
    I had a misfortune of experiencing first hand the discoveries, interrogatories and depositions. Discovery process is not a simple matter of SWHOA requesting BHOA the documents related to easements. It is initiated with the intent to use against the information obtained against the defendant. In other words, SWHOA has declared its intent to sue BHOA for some undisclosed reasons.

    We the Southern Walk residents did not give this HOA Carte Blance to sue anybody or any entity they choose. SWHOA should have held a townhall meeting to inform the residents that BHOA is a potential target for a lawsuit, before initiating this action.

    The primary responsibility of BHOA board is protecting BHOA and its members. If I were a member of BHOA, because of the adversarial relationship established by SWHOA, I would vote to protecting BHOA from any potential liabilities and lawsuits from either SWHOA or Openband.

    On the other hand, If SWHOA approached me with an offer of cooperation which limits BHOA liabilities and expenses, I would vote to support and join SWHOA it is fight against Openband.
     
  19. wolf685cln

    wolf685cln New Member

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    no... i could care less that cogs is asking questions. The fact that cogs is running for the board is a whole 'nother can 'o worms.
     
  20. Capricorn1964

    Capricorn1964 Well-Known Member

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    Wolf...then why don't YOU run for the board? I fo one am TIRED of the Board LOSING each case and with each case we lose, we ALL have to pay more and more for the RISING legal fees. It is apparent to me that the board isnt going to change a damn thing. Are you afraid of running for the board yourself? bawk, Bawk!
     

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