Pathway connecting Broadlands and Ashburn Farm?

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You already raised the rates [hoa] and I havent gained any services as I live in an old section so that argument just plain su-didley-ucks.

 

Somone asked about more pathways on Claiborne heading toward the shopping center, I mentioned that anything like that would have to be done by the HOA, and be ready to pay for it.

So I brought it up, but its still on topic, as it concerns pathways that will connect to Ashburn Farm.



Neil Z.
Resident since 1999

 

You're telling me the HOA can't find the small amount of money to pave 50 yds w/o raising rates? What do you need 1/10 of a cent?

 

Homer-
Why don't you contact a few path building companies and have them come out and give a few estimates. I wholly agree with you that the HOA should pay for this improvement, provided the cost is reasonable.
Present your findings to the HOA, and we can determine if any increase in cost is necessary.
Keep in mind that for every $30,000 in cost, HOA fees will have to rise $1/month to cover it.

I'll discuss the issue with Van Metre to see if they'd be willing to contribute.

 

I know how you feel. It's just to easy to get a rise out of you. Don't take yourself so seriously, I was being sarcastic.

 

For cost estimate purposes, consider that the the AF/Broadlands connector was going to cost $28,000, eight years ago. Off the top of my head I can't remember the current cost, but it was over $100,000. Ashburn Farm has been replacing trails throughout the community, and asphalt has gone up significantly. Consider the increase in the cost of a barrel of oil. That's a significant piece of the cost increase. Additionally, AF adjusted the reserve study to reflect the rising cost of asphalt.

If you are going to look at extending the bikepath you should look to current, on property, contractors. It's a lot cheaper for them to do additional work close by than truck in resources. AF has used this approach with success.

 

Cliff, don't forget there is more costs to a capital improvement than just the initial outlay. Once it's there you'll need to set aside reserves for the replacement. It costs more than just the installation cost. (I know you know this, just commenting for others)

AF reserves are built for sealer every 3 to 4 years on asphalt. Then a top layer every 8 to 10. That buys you another 5 to 7. This is for road surfaces.

Paths tend to have different factors than asphalt for townhouse areas. Townhouse areas tend to be more predictable, i.e. estimating traffic cycles, and truck (dump truck, moving van) trips. Paths can get torn up out of cycle, due to root damage, and could be more susceptible to water and freeze-thaw effects. It is more difficult to extend the life of a path, top coats tends not to work. Patching is effective in extending the life.

 

Well how about a good old fashioned side walk then? Concrete is cheap and the labor can be contracted out of Herndon's Day Labor site.

 

pot.....kettle.....black.....

 

So true!

 

Unfortunately concrete is not cheap. It take more labor to install an equivalent area of concrete versus asphalt. This is why you see so many of the roads being asphalt as opposed to concrete. Further, portland cement prices have increased worlwide due primarily to demand increases in China as well as the US.

-Jim

 

You missed the day laborer part. 10$/hr / person

 

You know AFGM, I really think this is not something that the B.O.S. needs to get involved in, but I know you like to get your shots in any way you can. I think it is a matter our own little psuedo-governmental HOA agency can handle.....but maybe not....

 

Asphalt is smoother and a little more forgiving then concrete when you fall on it.

Personally I like the look of asphalt streets and paths over concrete especially when first put down. With oil going sky high asphalt can actually cost more then concrete at times.

Lee J Buividas

 

In this case you're probably right drrotax. BOS support or day laborer support would mostly like have little relevance to the path in question. (hence my sarcasm, Homer does that to some people[}])

As reference, the pathway between AF and Broadlands was a resolution sponsored and eventually passed by Larry Beerman, when Larry was our Supervisor. In that case it was a BOS matter.

 

Day laborers built my house and poured the concrete on my sidewalk and driveway. I don't have a problem with it! []