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Utterly Unreasonable and Irrational Modifications Subcommittee

Discussion in 'Broadlands Community Issues' started by Neighbor, Sep 13, 2007.

  1. Mr Rogers

    Mr Rogers Active Member

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    The strict adherence to rule, done without regular review and revision, without regard for public opinion, is the very definition of tyranny! :mad:
     
  2. Chsalas

    Chsalas Active Member

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    Well, then, get involved. Inspire change!
     
  3. Mr Rogers

    Mr Rogers Active Member

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    I am already involved with 3 different organizations:
    1. I am Vice President of a local trade association
    2. I am a volunteer and fundraiser for Wounded Warriors www.woundedwarriors.org
    3. I sit on the board of the local Red Cross and run Blood Drives

    It is low on my priority list to make sure that my neighbors put their garbage cans away on Garbage Day! But I guess that someone has to do it ;)
     
  4. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    Well, I guess it's a good thing that we update, review, and often relax, our guidelines regularly.
    And we do listen to public opinion which has led to several changes to the guidelines.
    Regarding trash cans, we have listened to residents and their desire to keep cans out of the garage. Even though I believe it to be against the written rule, we have come up with ways to allow it.

    P.S. Thank you for your volunteerism.
     
  5. Neighbor

    Neighbor Member

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    Now if we can just figure out what that is.......

    The association took away my clairvoyance license.
     
  6. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    No clairvoyance needed. I hope the association didn't take away your ability to read. It's in the Declaration for Broadlands, Article 8, Section 8.2 (i) and I quote:

    "Trash containers shall not be permitted to remain in public view from the Common Area or another Lot except on days of trash collection. Trash containers and refuse disposal systems must be maintained in enclosures and screened as approved by the Covenants Committee."
     
  7. jaxmanjoe

    jaxmanjoe Blah, Blah, Blah

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    Cliff,

    I appreciate your disclaimer that you do not speak for the HOA unless you specifically say so, but in this thread you ARE speaking as a knowledgeable Board Member and Committee member. We know you deal with irate homeowners and it can get frustrating but that is the job you volunteered for.

    The disclaimers that you and Mr. Linux use are nullified by the fact that you post your titles in your signatures. If you don't speak for them, don't refer to your association with them, plain and simple.

    A simple resident doesn't go around quoting Article 8, Section 8.2(i) of the 'Declaration for Broadlands.' A Board Member does - a Board Member touting his or her expertise as a board member in a specific discussion. You speak like it is common knowledge but if it were, someone besides a Board Member should be doing it, don't you think?

    I agree with you on this issue but your demeanor and air of superiority diminish your ability to sound unbiased, which I think is of upmost importance to someone in your position.

    And before you say it, NO, I will not VOLUNTEER and NO, that does not mean I don't care as much about this community than you do. It is not proper to question someone else's dedication to the community because they question your authority or decision making. I don't accept that thinking from the President of the United States and I definitely won't accept it from the President of some HOA.

    Thanks!
     
  8. Mr. Linux

    Mr. Linux Senior Member & Moderator Forum Staff

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    So, per your logic, I should not be using this account on the forums EXCEPT to speak on behalf of the Board of Directors. Then, if I speak for myself, I should use another account, with a different signature. And, when I speak on behalf of the Technology Committee, I should use a third account.

    Indeed, that would be much clearer for everyone here, and I could also have a full-blown conversation between my three alter-egos!

    Thanks Jaxmanjoe!
     
  9. kahlua1

    kahlua1 New Member

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    Regarding the post by "Mama2three" above -

    Wondering, Is this type of structure available to purchase somewhere or is this something someone made on their own???

    We'd be interested in purchasing one from whereever it can be purchased or from the handyman that constructed it. Thanks.

    Also, does this stay looking wooden like this or did they homeowner paint it the color of their siding or stain it like a deck?
     
  10. jaxmanjoe

    jaxmanjoe Blah, Blah, Blah

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    Actually, I think you kind of prove my point. Thanks.

    You have all proven that you can't stop yourselves from speaking as Board Members in your disclaimer laden posts. And you specifically, Mr. Linux, have proven that you can't separate your personal and political feelings when censoring, ahem, I mean, administering these boards.

    The idea of an HOA is a good one. In practice, they are usually made up of people who want to have control over the lives of people around them. They are usually politician wanna-bes who crave power, not community harmony. They usually are the same people who used to be just town gossips until someone came up with the bright idea to put them in charge of everything.

    I know no one on OUR board is like that. You all have the noblest of intent and get no joy from telling people 'No.' You wouldn't hide behind a bunch of articles and rules to press your own personal agendas to be little tyrants.

    But, even if you were, what can normal folk do? I know, I know...volunteer...
     
  11. sharse

    sharse TeamDonzi rocks!!

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    Or move. Yanno, to where there IS no tyrannical HOA to get in your face.
     
  12. Mr. Linux

    Mr. Linux Senior Member & Moderator Forum Staff

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    Yep, you've read right through me. I'm actually spending all these countless hours doing stuff for my community just so I can cleverly control everyone.

    As for personal agendas, let me turn the tables right around. You've been given a few infraction points on these forums for breaking the rules in the recent past. Could this sudden outburst of hatred towards the HOA, the Board Members and to the moderators of these forums have anything to do with that?

    Finally, you've cleverly crafted your posting to break our basic forum rule of 'no personal attacks'; now, you're just waiting for us to moderate your post so you can come back and claim that "See! See! They're all tyrants who only want power to control all of you..."

    Personally, I'll leave you at the mercy of the other Forum users. I would be curious to see how many actually agree with your many unsubstantiated statements.

    Lastly, thanks for hijacking this thread.
     
  13. Mr. Linux

    Mr. Linux Senior Member & Moderator Forum Staff

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    Ok, I'll call your bluff... Please give SPECIFIC examples of MY censoring please...
     
  14. sharse

    sharse TeamDonzi rocks!!

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    Oh, now that's just cruel and inhumane, Linux. Like throwing candy to a room full of 5 year olds.
     
  15. Yadda Yadda

    Yadda Yadda New Member

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    This is one of the most pathetically back-handedly cheap-shot comments I think I've ever seen, and I've seen a few. Para. 2 is specifically a nasty little ad-hominem attack attempting to hide behind the limp defense of 'comment'.

    Do you perhaps make your living creating push-polls, e.g. "do you believe in freedom of expression as guaranteed by our Constitution or like our Board Members would you prefer to live in an HOA-run environment"?

    If you genuinely believe that guff why do you live here? There are plenty of places that don't have HOAs around.
     
  16. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    Jaxmanjoe-
    I appreciate your comments and concerns. I am happy to discuss issues, even with those that are irate, in a calm, respectful manner. But I'm human too. If someone wants to accuse, demean, be rude, condescending, and irrational, then I tend to respond in kind. I kind of think it proves the point.

    Let's look at this example. Here are comments used by Neighbor:
    " Utterly Unreasonable and Irrational Modifications Subcommittee." Simply because they did not get their way on a first submission. I think you will see that my response was rational and dealt with the facts of the issue.

    "So if the written rule, handed down by the HOA gods, stated that the trash can must be made of gold or aluminum, then good job for “following the guidelines.” The law is the law, right Cliff?"
    Now there's another rational comment.

    "Obviously, a few people on my street thought the Suncast enclosure was good enough, for even our exalted HOA."
    Another sarcasm filled observation.

    "Now if we can just figure out what that is.......The association took away my clairvoyance license."
    Just can't help the sarcasm.

    Note that a few other comments by Neighbor were redacted, so I can't quote them.

    I don't volunteer my time and efforts to sit back and take continuous pot shots by anonymous posters. If they don't like the decisions the Committee or Board makes, there are avenues to address it. Posting here accomplishes nothing.
    If some don't like the way I deal with issues or respond, then you have your chance to vote against me if I choose to run again in 2009. Til then you're stuck with me!

    I disagree with you on a few points. All of us simple residents, including myself, were given copies of our documents and guidelines at closing. I don't find it unreasonable that a resident could find out this information. Since Neighbor felt it necessary to post a sarcastic comment about it, I chose to quote the Section to save them the effort of looking for it. I thought it would be helpful. You found it to be demonstrating an "air of superiority."

    Yes, I signed up for this job and have dealt with many irate homeowners. But I do not accept rude, sarcastic behavior from my children and I definitely am not going to sit back and take it from anonymous residents.

    You made the following statement: "It is not proper to question someone else's dedication to the community because they question your authority or decision making." Please show me where I did this. I can't find it. All I did was thank someone for their volunteerism.

    I am not attempting to sound unbiased in this discussion. As a member of the Modification Subcommittee and as a member of the Board of Directors, I would not support that trash enclosure, as submitted.

    Lastly, after reading your snotty, sarcastic laden post to Mr. Linux, I probably shouldn't have wasted my time trying to explain myself to you.
    Now, if you want to have a rational discussion about these issues, give me a call. I'll be happy to discuss it with you.
     
  17. Pats_fan

    Pats_fan Former Resident

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    Aw, but Cliff, that would require a spine (and personal accountabiliity for one's actions/comments). :rolleyes3:
     
  18. Neighbor

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    For what its worth, my last post was an attempt at humor, not pure sarcasm.

    After my initial rant, I did think more about my comments and retracted some of the statements. Some of the material (as noted by other residents, such as Zaretul) may be useful to the community as a whole.

    I now know that posting (heated as it was) on a controversial subject will only lead to off track discussions that were not originally intended. Maybe I’ll just stick to Homeowners Corner from now on. Sigh.

    Just don’t Brim me before I reach my 10 year anniversary in Broadlands!
     
  19. lauralynne

    lauralynne Member

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    While I admit to sometimes being puzzled or frustrated by HOA rules, I very much appreciate those who volunteer for the boards -- it's clearly a tough job. I also regularly remind myself that, because of the HOA, the houses in our community won't ever look like the shack that sits on the other side of Shellhorn Road by the intersection of Ashburn Run.
     
  20. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    If you feel frustrated by the rules, feel free to call and ask for clarification or come to a meeting.
    Neighbor-
    If it was meant as humor then I apologize for my snippy retort. Given the demeanor of some earlier posts (and your title for this thread) I didn't read it as humorous.
     

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