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Homeless Shelter Coming to Ashburn - Meeting Oct.23

Discussion in 'Broadlands Community Issues' started by CdnJess, Oct 22, 2007.

  1. Silence Dogood99

    Silence Dogood99 New Member

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    Softballchick, I'm surprised you resorted to asking about government services! That's one reason I feel more hopeful about GSA. Non-profit charities and individuals always provide more compassionate and efficient care for the needy, so I am thankful that for once we aren't ceding care to the government. Once and for all, government does not exist to help people like this--this is OUR responsibility as individuals, families and neighbors, not some faceless bureucratic agency.
     
  2. Homer Simpson

    Homer Simpson New Member

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    They are quick to dump social services here in Ashburn, but where is the LoCo Police presence? Brambleton is getting a station but not Ashburn, the urban center of the county.

    Also it's using a rural commercial zone for its by right, funny, this is urban now! We ran out the hospital to get this in exchange, oh the irony!

    It's all good until the first kid is assualted or worse. Then it will be on your heads for putting outside needs over ashburns. This town is going down.
     
  3. afgm

    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

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    Homer where the heck have you been pal! Based on your lack of presence here lately, I thought you would have been excited about homeless support services coming to the hood. :)
     
  4. Homer Simpson

    Homer Simpson New Member

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    Been busy and no I am not homeless. Don't think I am unsympathetic. I grew up in inner city Norfolk so I know poor and appreciate things like Boys clubs etc..

    LoCo needed to boost police presence yesterday. Gangs are running amok, this only fuels the fire.
     
  5. afgm

    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

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    Good to hear from you Homer.
     
  6. Lee

    Lee Permanent Vacation

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    We all should be so lucky to Have one of Loudoun's finest living across the street from us like I do. It is a great neighbor and parks his police cruiser right in front of his home and of course my home:clap: He is also a terrific person and family man and I could not ask for a finer neighbor.:) We all should be so lucky.

    Homer brings up an excellent point about more police presence.

    Homer no matter how you think of it, it is still BY RIGHT. my good buddy I have never met :) I can't emphasize that enough. BY RIGHT BY RIGHT BY RIGHT

    Lee j
     
  7. Homer Simpson

    Homer Simpson New Member

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    By Right, such as:

    the right of the people to move out
    the right of property values to plummet
    the right for new representatives [vote people!]
     
  8. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    How about the Vice Chairman of the GSA himself?

    http://www.religionandsocialpolicy.org/news/article.cfm?id=6004

    Yes, but are you busing a majority of your people or bussing in folks further out to expand your reach? Here, by the GSA's own words, they would be busing or having the needy drive here, rather then where they are to begin with.

    I wonder how much of this move is geared towards the challenges the organization was having in town with the town council. Out here, one less government body to deal with. Besides additional space and potential cost (which to me sounds like a tough sell compared to other parts of the county) how is this location well suited for the need?
     
  9. Silence Dogood99

    Silence Dogood99 New Member

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    wow, dramatic much?! are you also hunting down all the illegals and other minorities, because we know they are responsible for more crimes against us. just saying :happygrin:
     
  10. Homer Simpson

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    Actually, no, the illegals aren't in the gangs, most of them are hard at work. MS13 is here on political asylum from El Salvadore, nice payback for providing sanctuary! I don't care if the illegals are here as long as we know who they are and that they stay clean.

    I think you need to move away from the minority=criminal mentality. No where did I mention race. It is about socio-economics and education.
     
  11. Silence Dogood99

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    Not to pick a bone or anything, but how inconsistent are these statements?! We know who the illegals are here?! Really? Since when? And how do we know that they "stay clean?" That's just plain ridiculous.

    I don't equate minorities with criminals, just saying that if people are going to throw around other stereotypes and statistics taken out of context, we could do the same to make the case against minorities living in our midst.

    Finally, you say it's about "socio-economics and education." Well, who is in a lower socioeconomic class with lower education than illegals?! I bet many of the families being helped by GSA actually do have some level of education.

    Not that this is germaine to anything or that I even care, but your statements were so patently ridiculous and laughable I couldn't resist pointing that out. Have a great night!
     
  12. Villager

    Villager Ashburn Village Resident

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    Again, I imagine that if the GSA had been able to obtain a property in Leesburg, they probably would have. Unfortunately, it seems that the residents, business owners, and others have fought hard (as many in Ashburn are) to keep "that kind of thing" out of their town.

    I seriously doubt that the middle of Ashburn, in such an inaccessible location was the GSA's first choice. That property must have been pretty cheap and available and the best of the worst choices.

    Nobody wants it in their neighborhood but they all are willing to go to someone else's neighborhood to work the soup kitchen. Interesting.
     
  13. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    I like going to baseball games - doesn't mean I want a stadium in my backyard.. or anyone's for that matter.
     
  14. sharse

    sharse TeamDonzi rocks!!

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    There are a LOT of posts in this thread that I haven't read yet, but let me just say -- [​IMG] Seriously. Very well said.
     
  15. foodie

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    sharse and others--

    We concur and as the parents of 6 kids--we watch out for ours and others. Not to be paranoid--but you have to keep "your eyes in the back and front of your head" these days. Great posts.

    Have a good night--

    Foodie:happygrin:
     
  16. Lee

    Lee Permanent Vacation

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    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    I would like to see one post where someone here actually does a little RESEARCH and posts some FACTS about the homeless in Loudoun County instead of posting stereotypes and assumptions.
    I think you'll find the homeless here a bit different than your beliefs.
    We happen to know a few families....good, decent, hardworking family people....who due to job and financial circumstances are now "homeless." Not only do I want to see services for them in this county, I have welcomed some into my home.
    I await some facts to be posted. I think it will be a long wait. It's easier to cherry pick one or two circumstances and paint it all with a broad brush.
     
  18. merky1

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    The biggest problem with the research, is who to believe...

    Washington Post claims 119 homeless in LoCo, while GSA claims over 500 served.

    Also, why did they need to build in Ashburn? According to this article in January, they have over 50 acres available in the Lucketts site http://www.religionandsocialpolicy.org/news/article.cfm?id=5873.

    I oppose the site more from a waste perspective than a nimby.
     
  19. Mr. Linux

    Mr. Linux Senior Member & Moderator Forum Staff

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    Am I missing something here? GSA has all the permits and has broken ground. They did everything they legally had to do to put that facility there, from what I am reading here.

    So, please enlighten me as to how anyone can expect them to simply walk away at this point? Isn't this whole thing a done deal? Heck, even the local politicians who are against it say there's nothing they can do...

    So what exactly are the folks against the facility trying to accomplish by the ongoing bickering here? Public support? How will public support change something that has been given a legal right to exist, run by an organization which has strong convictions towards their cause, and have already said they are here to stay?

    If you ask me, this whole heated discussion should have been happening in late May, early June, before all the permits, etc, were given to GSA.

    Only way I see them halting construction is if someone can prove that their permits were obtained using false information, payoffs, etc. While I'm seeing some conflicting information from the GSA over the past few months as to the purpose of the facility, I don't see anything that leads me to believe they obtained their permits through illegal means (I'm not an attorney, so I'm just guessing here...)

    So, how does anyone expect to stop the facility from being built?
     
  20. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    Eric, read the articles posted throughout this thread. Read of the struggles that were happening in Leesburg as GSA struggled to expand the services offered at their 'offices' including cold shelters. A facility that was already open and running.

    Yes - but part of the problem is the MIXED messaging coming from GSA. What was said in May is now DIFFERENT from what is being said now. On top of that, they've demonstrated to VARY from what they start with.

    It may not just be about stopping it from starting, but could also be about stopping it from expanding physically or its services.

    GSA was open and operating in several locations
     

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