Broadlands Hospital

So Lee, what you are basically saying is that the needs of the few should out-weigh the needs of the many.

 

I have 3 kids in middle school. Lived here for 10 years. Your common.

 

I have 3 kids in middle school. Lived here for 10 years. Your common.

 

What does this mean? You trying to get a dig in and call me "common"? OUCH! I am mortally wounded! Now, if a hospital was just close enough...

As a parent I would hope that you would want the best and most convenient care possible for your family. I do!

 

Maybe we need more schools instead of a hospital. Do you mean "You're common" as in you are common, some kind of insult at T8erman? At least get "your" insults correct!

Agree re: common sense. It depends whose perspective you take. It makes perfect sense to want a hospital close by if you want more immediate access to medical care.

It also makes perfect sense to NOT want a hospital in our community if you live across the street from the site.

 

T8 you know I love you man and I still love Cliff but both of you do not live across the street from this hospital and you both are willing to gamble your neighbors home values for this hospital???????? Tell you what if when the hospital drops the value of those homes I hope all you hospital supporters are kind enough to chip in and make up the difference.

Like I said this county desperately needs a innovative and creative master planning firm that has an great success record on retainer to help make these decisions.

This county is getting far too complex for it not to be guided by master professional planners with no emotional or financial interest here. I know I fight my site engineers around here all the time because they want to clear cut everything all the time because not that it is better it is just easier and simpler. They just don't want to deal with what it takes to save trees anymore. Loudoun they say is far easier to clear cut then fairfax or many other counties around here. I have never ever got an acceptable answer as to why?????? We certainly didn't clear near as much when this county first started to boom. THis should really be looked into as why and how it can be corrected. We tear down fifty plus year old trees like they are garbage, nobody wants to plan around them anymore especially in tight spots like we did years ago. What a shame.

Lee j

 

Lee, do you (or does anyone else) have clear statistics/data that show what has happened to property values in similar circumstances?

Can you tell us what the delta would be in property values close to the site if a business park were built instead of a hospital?

It would be helpful to have some factual information rather than conjecture based on emotion...or in your case, Lee, the fact that you are a self-described building god and know-it-all.

 

You are right, I do not really care that much about my neighbors home values as I do not believe a hospital will drag them down.

And yes, clear-cutting sucks but it happens, I can live with the fact that trees will grow back some day. It is easier and cheaper for the builders to cut them down AND get money for them too.

To me it is simple. Do we need a hospital? IMO, yes. Do we need the tax revenue, jobs and proposed road upgrades, yes. Will competition make it better for patients? Again, IMO, yes!

And Lee, I love your passion, I truly do, but why do you focus so much on the architectural aspect of this? Like most of us here care if the hospital architectural is the 2nd coming of Eero Saarinen that the rest of the country will write thesis papers on. Give me a decent looking, functional building.

 

Lee j,

Is there some part of my post that you didn't understand? I lived directly across from the BRMC property and sold my house earlier in 2007 without one prospect or Realtor making a comment that they weren't interested in my house because a hospital might be built across the Blvd. So what are you basing your statements on? Is there someone you know that just sold (or is selling) their house and lives directly across from the BRMC site that had their house value drop because of it or are you just blowing smoke ... ?

 

T8 it must be nice to gamble with other peoples money when there is no way you can get hurt one way or another.

I say build it by aol verizon have them build shellhorn to the sterling interchange so we do some real immediate good to the road system and you still have the jobs and tax benefits and already in the airport noise zone. without all the negatives of the proposed site and get enough land so it could turn into a full blown trauma center when needed. Lets not be short sighted here if this hospital is an opportunity to do some real good for this county. You know why that proposal will not happen because too much time and MONEY has gone into this site for them to change unless it is voted down. Or the courts stop it. THis is a for profit hospital so if they are going to make money then they need to set up a fund to compensate anyone negatively affected by this hospital if built. If nothing does happen to the property values then everyone wins anyway, but with a fund set aside at least we know people are protected.

See if they are willing to do that, if not then they know there is a better then chance of this hospital affecting property values negatively then positively. That way the ones that could be affected are protected. The hospital should also be a major funding source to finding and implementing a solution to waxpool also since they are going to contribute traffic to it. These proposals would most likely go a longs ways in solving some major potential negative impact.

Lee j

I don't see anyone proposing that and why not????????

Lee j


Lee j

 

Reality does not set in until the project gets built with most people. When people actually see the hospital there they will have a different opinion. Most people can not visualize what something will be really like until it is built. I deal with that everyday that is why I walk the site with my clients so they understand what is really going to happen and draw the renderings with the actual vegetation that will stay and what will be planted new. I actually take a picture of the site these days and use that in my renderings and edit out what will be taken down or removed. One thing to sell the house with nothing there and it is at the moment not even a proposal it was voted down and they have it in the court system at the moment. But I have heard they may drop the lawsuit and they believe they have a better chance with the new supervisors then going through the court system. To answer your question you sold your home before the reality of what is really going to happen there has set in. So the relator's are certainly not going to make a big deal out of something until it is really there.

See what they have to say after it is built, and you did the smart thing selling now before you might have to deal with the negative impact of an hospital visually almost in your backyard. The reality of a real building is far different then the fantasy of a proposed one. And did you do well financially when you sold your home or did it sell for a low price????

Lee j

 

Lee, if I could gamble with other people's money and get to keep my winnings, then I would be living in Vegas full-time! DUH!

And you keep throwing out "we" and "us" regarding this "opportunity". "WE" have pretty much zippy to say about it! It is land owned by HCA and if they get approvals they will build it as they see fit, much like all these flex-prisons you love so much!

 

If inova is so bad why do they run the largest hospital in the dc area and further the are the only level 1 trauma center in northern virginia.

If you all are so worried about the care you get from inova then you all should scared out of your mind for the fact that is the place they are going to take you if you have an extremely bad accident or injury.

All you pro hca hospital people need to be moving out of here now if you are so concerned with the medical care you might get at inova because that is where you most likely will end up in a serious serious accident or injury.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inova_Fairfax_Hospital

And a hospital that big has to have far more equipment etc to treat people then hca could ever build here.

All I have been hearing is how bad the care is at inova yet they are the only level one center here. You all are not making much sense as I find it hard to believe the care is that bad at inova or it is that crowded. When I broke my ribs I got far better care at the loudoun inova emergency room then urgent care with almost no wait on what they said was a busy saturday. And the one time my wife took our son there loudoun inova emergency for serious pain for what happened to be a kidney stone he was treated extremely quick and excellent care. ALthough that is about my limited extent of dealing with inova I haven't seen any of the rotten care some of you all speak of. I designed several years ago an large doctor office interior layout space in the attached medical building to inova hospital and I going to ask that doctor just what he thinks about this debate going on these forums if he would even say anything he is propbably too smart to enter this can of worms.ha ha ha I just thought about that at this moment, don't know why I did not think about that before. And I designed an very large home THat I gave Cliff a tour of the other day, for another doctor that is an surgeon at the hca reston Perhaps several professional opinions might give me some insight about all this from doctors at these competing health care companies. hmmmm could be interesting if I can get them to say anything which might be the toughest part of all

Lee j

 

I will ask again for the fifth time:

Okay, Lee, let me pose this to you.
Let's say BRMC is again put before the county, along with the tens of millions of dollars in road proffers, millions of dollars in tax revenue, and providing more healthcare to a county that is woefully underserved, as well as all those high paying jobs.
How many people does it take for the county to turn it down?
Just one person saying "I live there and don"t like it." 10? 20? 100?
What if 20 don't like it, but 20 that live nearby say they do?
And what is your definition of "Closest?" 1/2 mile? mile? 100 yards?

 

I know it's useless to bring up reason with you, Lee, but here goes. So if an office park gets built there, should the office park also set aside money to compensate homeowners for a drop in value? Should the LOCO Dept of Education have done the same? What about EVERY business that moves into an area? I certainly wouldn't want to live near Taco Bell and McDonald's--should they have a fund for compensating nearby homeowners?

Or are you just being selective here? Again, you have provided no facts, just the conjecture of a big-talking, name-dropping architect

 

T8 and Silence, Yes it was a dig or an insult, and it was correct for you to assume that. I apologize. I would rather pick on Keirce anyway.

FYI - I live 2 miles from the site. So if it is built, wont bother me that much. But unlike some folks who are suppose to represent the community, I believe building a hospital will hurt the community. We should focus on safety, schools, traffic....

 

Where did THIS rant come from? Now you're sounding defensive or are you really Donna now? I don't recall this being about how bad INOVA is, but about the need for more beds and competition in healthcare (by the way, Donna, we're still waiting for an explanation of why competition isn't good for healthcare!).

You make the moronic statement that since INOVA runs the largest hospital, they can't be so bad. By your logic, how can Halliburton be so bad since they are the largest in their field? The federal government is the biggest in every field they are in, would you consider the govt excellent purveyors of services? And on and on.

This is worse than trying to reason with Gryphon. I can't wait to hear another story about a large home you designed for a rich doctor.

 

Please don't apologize when you meant it as an insult. At least be a man and stand by your jab, and next time use correct grammar so at least it's somewhat effective

Let me get this straight. You are inferring that because Cliff believes that the hospital will be good for the community that he isn't "representing the community"? For one, I think Cliff has stated this is his personal opinion. I guess you are like those who believe that others are only entitled to their opinions if they agree with you.

How does building a hospital here preclude us from focusing on safety, schools and traffic? Are they mutually exclusive or even related?

 

I want to apply for this compensation fund even though I live 5 miles from the site. The value of my home has dropped since I first moved in and it is probably because of the proposed hospital rezoning application. I like this idea!

If the compensation fund doesn't pan out, perhaps HCA should list their 60 acres on Craigs List and relocate to the Verizon area instead as was suggested. Because it has to be that easy- I am sure it is.

Lee- Do you have no concept whatsoever that HCA has probably already completed their due diligence in determining where the market needs are and which general area is most suitable for another hospital? This is a business, whether it be non-profit or for-profit and they have quite a vested interest in selecting the right site. I am sure they looked at all of Loudon and chose this location for a number of reasons.

 

Silence, It is effective, or you would not be commenting. This is a posting site, not english class.
I just believe his opinion is wrong, and wrong for the community. That's all. I know he doesnt agree. Common sense agrees!
A hospital doesnt preclude, it creates more traffic, pollution, safety concerns.