Broadlands Hospital

And you are getting caught up on the details of my post (I am not an expert)..lost in the weeds and not seeing the forest in front of you.

Loudoun's pop (has not doubled) but increased 50-60% and the hospital beds have not kept pace with the growth.
INova has a healthcare monopoly, thus they can dictate rates to insurance companies, dr's labs etc.

I want more hospital beds & alternative to Inova, for me that's the core issue. If you can debate those and prove me wrong than do it otherwise you are lost in the weeds.

 

Yep and the two biggest supporters of this hospital have been nominated for two of Millers committees.

And homer simpson is correct there is a lot of I want this hospital at all costs and dam my neighbors even tho they stand to lose tons in property values. It is all about these personal agendas and the hospital must be built on this site no matter who it hurts. Build it in another appropriate spot. I will have written documentation if this does come up to the BOS for a vote. We are making making too many development mistakes in this county and we are now starting to see how these mistakes are negatively affecting the business community of this county and people wanting to move out because it is not the place anymore they were sold on when they moved here. The pro hospital people have shown zero written documentation on the effect of property values and they are lying or have been conned by the hospital itself about the future intended growth of this hospital and the hospital even has land reserved for it. ANd said they could possibly expand on that reserved land if they could get another exemption. The point is the land is there to expand if they wanted too.

Lee j

 

Lee - your implications are out of line. Cliff support for the hospital is documented back several years and I've supported it for at least 2yrs.
I urge you to rethink what you post otherwise people might take action against you for your character assassinations.

 

I have visited Loudoun ER twice in the past year and my wait time was less than 20 minutes both times. It has the shortest wait times of any ER I have experienced.

 

Your positions should be known if you are going to be nominated for a public committee which then you are working for the public good. I think that is just fairness for the public know who are in public positions representing us. There is nothing personal here or am I giving away anyones personal information. You two are going to be on committees that will have influence over many decisions made in this county in the public interest. We all have the right to know who all the people are that could have tremendous influence on the future of Loudoun. I am not saying you will not do an excellent job in your new public position. ANd yes people in public positions should be held to a very high standard.


Barbara rarely if ever, once she became planning commissioner expressed her personal views on public forums or blogs except about her candidate Steven Snow and whether you like her or not you have to admit she stood by the principle to keep most of her personal opinions to her self while planning commissioner. And she did not comment except in her official position most of the time. That is all I am saying Pea and congratulations to you and Cliff on your nominations
Lee j

Oh by the way what are you saying exactly here in this comment by you (((((( I urge you to rethink what you post otherwise people might take action against you for your character assassinations.))))))) You put yourself in the middle of a very controversial debate about this hospital and yes this debate is intense and heated and emotional on both sides, so get used to it.

 

Lee - so let me get this straight the public committee on cable has influence over healthcare in Loudoun.

I live in broadlands, I moved here b/c of the promise of BRMC and I have serious ongoing medical issues...based on your last post you have now decreed that I nor Cliff have the right to voice my/our opinion on this topic?

We are going to disagree here, I live here, my family is here and my potential non-paying/volunteer position with the county does not blur the line as Donna who works for Inova so any correlation you are attempting to make is mute as the nominations are part of the public record.

You are attempting to draw lines - for what purpose is still unknown to me.

As for your comments about Barbara - you may want to go back and check her post on this forum. If she was speaking in her public capacity...I cant find any disclosure in her 666 post.

 

I thought you were done posting, Lee. What happened?!

 

First see what Barbara has said since she was planning commisioner.

I know you will do an excellent job on the cable committee. I don't doubt that for a minute.

But you and Cliff have stated very publically your extremely pro hospital position. You two also have better access to Miller who eventually may vote on this. Must of us in the public do not have that kind of access.
Not saying you will have any influence but you do have more potential opportunities to discuss this with him then any of us at least right now against the hospital.

That is not an character assassination or impling anything just facts.

And if anybodies character has been assassinated I would be on the top of this list ha ha ha ha because I do take strong stands that everyone one in this county must be protected by bad neighbor developments no matter what. even if one person or property is hurt without fair compensation that is one too many.

Lee j

 

Believe me I want too Mr Silence Dogood99 I really do but sometimes I just can not help myself if I see the potential that one person or property could be hurt without just compensation by a bad neighbor development that has the potential to get worse in the years to come. In using "it will be for the public good and interest once they get their claws into that property." Build it somewhere it will not be so controversial as we can see by the size of this thread.

We need the business and taxes and potential good this hospital might do but not at the even potential expense of just one of our residents.

Lee j

 

better than anything on cable opcorn:

 

puh-leaze! are you going to start crying now like hillary because you just care so much about us?

and do you really think there is ANYWHERE that will not be controversial? come on.

 

I have and for the most part she had compelling ideas for a pro-growth BoS.

Thank you - if approved I truly look forward to learning more than I think I know and working for the nearly37,000+ folks in the Dulles district concerning cable/ovs issues.

I have the same access to Svpr Miller as any one else does, to imply otherwise is just not a fact and Lee if you really knew me you would know that I have access to a lot of people and I rarely use it...I am just not wired that way.

Sometimes people bring this upon themselves. Those that are vocal and have strong opinions are liked or disliked...no in between.

 

Lee, I am very open to the idea that building a hospital could have a negative effect on property values. NO ONE on either side has shown that it will be positive or negative.

Please answer these questions and stick to these (no long rants, please!).

(1) Have homes built along Broadlands Boulevard, and especially across from this commercial site where the hospital will be built, already had their property values discounted because of the location? Did people who bought there already buy at a discount because of the location? I assume that someone who bought a home with a more private lot paid a premium (let's say $650k) whereas someone buying the same exact house on Broadlands Blvd. may have paid $600 because of the location. So is some of this already factored into the equation?

(2) What would be the percentage change in decreased property value between a hospital and office park being built there? What is the incremental decrease? If you can use real numbers for homes in that area, it would be helpful (i.e. a $600k home would lose x% with an office park, but x% with a hospital built there).

(3) Likewise, for homes not close to the hospital but still in Broadlands, could there be a net positive impact from increased demand for homes in the neighborhood from higher paid hospital employees?

I'd just like to get my head around the real effect.

 

Silence some of those homes on the last street the owners paid almost a million dollars to VM. certainly in the nine hundreds. Where they told the whole truth about the hospital and the potential expansion on the resevered land right across the street from them that the hospital spokesperson right in you own broadlands newsletter will not commit one way or another what they will do with the land AFTER there right now final build out. They did say it was possible they would expand the hospital on it if they got another exemption. Now that is in writing in your very own braodlands newsletter from several years ago.

Who knows what those last home buyers were really told by VM??????? Was it played down like the pro hospital people that don't live near there and have no chance of losing home value want you to believe???? Were these people given the whole story or were parts conveniently left out.???? I already have from my own real estate connections that they believe in a normal market those properties will be harder to sell. I will have that documented if this comes before the bos and I get a chance to speak in the correct venue among other documents. I decided this here is not the place to debate this with documents because it just turns into a free for all over and over again. I will eventually send the BOS the information I have to make my case anyway in the event this comes up for another vote. Here is just not the place to debate this anymore.

I just see too much out of place development to keep my mouth shut anymore and I will speak my piece in the proper venues when appropriate. I also congratulate the developers that have win win developments that all win including the adjoining neighbors every single one.

When you have a topic like this hospital with this much debate it makes me think it is in the wrong place and now it is time to prove it at the correct times and places but certainly not here. And believe it not I am willing to listen to written documentation in favor of the hospital, I could always change my mind but right now I am totally against it.

Lee j

 

I'm on the fence as well. I have to admit that I do find the pro-hospital arguments more compelling, and I have yet to see that anyone on that side has a conflict of interest (unless someone can say otherwise) along the lines of the Donna. I do not live near the proposed site, so I would certainly put more weight on what those who would be most effected have to say.

 

Lee, you still didn't answer any of my questions. If you had enough money to buy a million dollar property, don't you think you would do some due diligence to find out what was going to be built across the street from you?! And even if you didn't have the whole story, you would have to know SOMETHING ugly and commercial was going to be built there.

And if something was going to be built--as opposed to having some lovely, private wooded area as your view--wouldn't the property price have already been discounted to a large degree (i.e. the same home would have sold for $1.1MM with a private view).

You act like the people buying a million dollar home had NO IDEA there was going to be anything built there. So what is the incremental value degradation of a hospital versus an office park?

Concrete numbers, please.

 

Lee-
Mr. Miller is a big boy and can think for himself.
I could point out the fact that the head of the Democrat Party in Loudoun is against the hospital, but I give Mr. Miller much more credit than you in his ability to think for himself.

I DO have written documentation (from the last hospital go-around) that showed no depreciation in housing values in a community based on proximity to a hospital. It was done by professional real estate appraisers.
I will await to see your documentation.

 

ummm...we really don't need a hospital to decrease property values

 

There are a few things that I think need to be cleared up and seem to be forgotten depending on how each argument goes...

First, as so many seem to forget, I fought this hospital issue for 3+ years without having any involvement with Loudoun Hospital, so to say that my entire fight is biased and holds no merit is false. Yes, I am now employeed by Inova, but my stance would not change regardless of who signs my paycheck.

Second, no one has ever said that a second hospital is not needed, it's just the location that doesn't make sense. It's interesting how HCA was asked for several years to find another location, i.e. Rt 50 and they refused UNTIL Inova bought property there.


You can google how often HCA has opened a hospital only to close it shortly after because the profits were not what they had hoped.

Cliff, I think you need to recheck your facts about the LCDC...

To say that those of us who are against this location have no valid arguments is truly incredible...

How about the FACT that this hospital will put THOUSANDS of additional car trips on Broadlands Blvd per day.

How about the FACT that the 164 original beds are only phase one and this could potentially be a 333 bed facility and tieriary care.

How about the FACT that, regardless of if there is one or 10 helicopter visits per day, that will negatively impact the tranquil environement that Broadlands offers.

I too am willing to offer any FACT based information on many other reasons why hundreds of Broadlands residents are against this site. AFGM seemed to mention a few pages back that our support was only hundreds of residents throughout the county and not just located in Broadlands.

How about the FACT that we are located in Planning district 8 and there are only an alloted amount of beds that will be approved. If Braodlands is approved there will be no beds on Route 50 and those people deserve the same easy access to heathcare that we in Broadlands/Ashburn have.

How about the FACT that Inova has 15,723 tax paying employees several thousand of those are tax paying residents of Loudoun County.

How about the FACT that Inova provided over $65 million in charity care and community support, sponsorships, free wellness screenings and indigent care in 2007. This also included financial support to programs, education etc.

Why is it that HCA stopped a majority of their sponsorships to our community?

If you look at the countywide healthcare facility plan, Route 50 is slated to be the next location for a healthcare facility. That is where the population is growing and that is where the BOS, HSA and PC haved agreed makes the most sense.

It is interesting how many of those that support this location complain about the current noise from bars, the problems/noise from the pools, the bothersome issues with bright lights from street lamps, and the terrible traffic problems, because they are directly impacted by it...how can you justify those compliants and not have sympathy for the residents that will have all of the noise, lights and traffic issues everyday if this hospital is built.

Don't read into my post that I am being sarcastic or am spreading fear or am being beligerent because that certainly is not my intent.

2 other issues that I think are important is that competition in healthcare indicates that more services will be offered and availabe...that simply is not true. Please remember that there are only a certain number of specialists that graduate each year in any given specialty. A hospital has to do a certain number of procedures to warrent providing a particular service. If physicians and nurses are pulled to too many hospitals the numbers will not be there to offer a service. You need signifcant patient visits per procedure to continue to perform them. Please refer back to several discussions on this and the justifications that were made.

I think the take away from this should be that those that are against this location are just as passionate about this community as those that are for it, so don't make it sound like we are a bunch of fearmongerers to get our point across because that is not fair and it is not true.

 

Donna, I don't think anyone accuses you of spreading fear. If anything, you seem to pose your arguments well and provoke thought.