Broadlands Hospital

So you approve of how Cigna denied the coverage to the 16 year old girl who recently died b/c they denied the operation that would have saved her life? Nice!

 

There is a Hospital 5 minutes to the North. Not a great example of future needs, in fact it is a scare tactic.

 

Nice spin, but it would help if you could actually read and make a logical application. This is what I wrote and what you quoted:
In order to earn a good return on investment, they SHOULD absolutely take care of their customers. I am all for that. If I run a business and take exceptional care of my customers (see Apple, USAA), I tend to do better over time.

So, um, in case you can't make the application, Cigna has hurt their reputation and business by NOT taking care of its customers. Exactly as I said. Nice try spinning this.

 

Duh. Do you not understand that I was mocking Lee and others who have used twisted examples as scare tactics? Please go back and read the posts and you'll understand I was using irony and sarcasm to prove the absurdity of their own posts. Funny you pick out my post, but not Lee's posts about "death traps" and "criminals" and others talking about mentally deranged people walking our neighborhoods. Oh, and don't forget the helicopter crashes on our homes. Wow.

 

Silence, all of those things ARE considerations.

 

Or in Destin

Yes!, Did I ever say that homeowners who want the hospital should not be heard?

Your mixed metaphors are as strange as Lee's posts.

I will restate my position. Companies are made up of people. The government is made up of people. Even HOAs are made up of people. These people have an obligation to behave at work as they would on their own, with the same values. When you treat "the company" its own entity, it displaces responsibility for the employee's actions to an inanimate object.

FYI, I recently resigned from a lucrative position because a new leader was taking "the company" in a direction with which I did not agree. He valued the company (the system) more than the people who work there, and more than the customers they serve.

 

It seems that there are actually 3 main issues going on here:
1) Is this the right location for a second hospital in LoCo?
2) What effect will this have on the Broadlands residents?
3) Is HCA the right company to run this hospital?

Any thoughts out there?

(PS - I know that Lee will say "#4 How ugly will the building be?")

 

It's a shame that the schools spend $12,000 per child every year, and this is what we get. For those of you with your faux compassion for others, which usually means using other people's money to help others, let's make it personal here.

Let's say that YOU actually own your own business, like my wife and I do, helping other people with special needs. That's your business. And let's say things are going well and you have 100 client families who pay for $1,000 each year to help them with their special needs. You watch your costs and you can make it here on $100,000 a year.

But let's say something happens and now you only have 1/3 of your time filled. Your down to roughly 35 client families and you are bringing in $35,000 per year. You begin taking on debt, you can no longer afford even a small family vacation or anything special for your kids. You try everything you can, you work longer hours, you drop your rates, you scrap. But long-term, you forecast that you are only going to make $35,000 per year helping these families.

So what would YOU do if it was YOUR OWN money in this case? Would you be "compassionate" and keep helping those 35 families while you rack up $50 a year in debt for yourself? Or would you be evil and decide that you just can't make it in this business, and you end up turning away those 35 families who were relying on you? What if you had employees? Would you keep paying them out of your retirement funds because that would be compassionate, or would you have to let them go?

It's easy to tell some hospital or business how to act when it's some faceless entity, but quite another when it's your own business. So please answer honestly what you would do.

 

I applaud you for leaving. In the end, that company will fail becasue it does not take care of its employees and customers they serve. See how wonderfully that works?

But let's use your analogy in another way. A company is owned by individuals--old people on fixed incomes, young people building for their future, individuals from all walks of life who have taken a risk and invested their money through mutual fund or direct stock ownership in order to earn a rate of return commensurate with the risk.

A company's primary mission is to make a profit, because its primary obligation is to honor the investment and risk put forth by the individuals who have invested in it. Companies who consistently generate good returns for their investors take care of their employees (low turnover), use their employees' creativity, have exceptional customer service (repeat business) and operate ethically. Think Southwest, think Apple.

So I am all for being a good corporate citizen, but the example you have chosen is ridiculous. You want a business to keep operating when it is only filling 30% of its beds...because there could be ONE person in Destin who needs that hospital. What about that old, retired man on a fixed income who has chosen to iinvest his money in the company? He needs to earn a reasonable return so he can pay his wife's medical bills and feed them. So is it compassionate to take his money and squander it based on some false sense of compassion? No!

So try looking at a company not as some entity with endless amounts of money that they can just throw away in the name of compassion, and look at the individuals who own the company. By your definition, should a company give away its services for half price or for free to poor people? What if it were your business? Would you donate half your time to poor people or would you operate your business in Ashburn where people had money?

I pity anyone who looks to the government for compassion. That's just insane and not what government is for. So if you want to show compassion for others, do that as an individual or start a non-profit. But stop using other people's money to help others.

 

I never said that they should keep operating in Destin; I just hope that they feel bad about closing.

BTW, a little math:

Innova is at 80% usage
If the new hospital opens at ~ the same capacity, they will both be at ~40% capacity. Interesting, huh?

 

You know Silence I say at times situations to bring up totally different perspectives. You bring up your opinions to get people to shut up and think like you do. You are the constant attack Dog. Rarely do you like something or some ones opinion and when you do it seems you say very little then.

When you don't like someones opinion even if a bit outrageous you immediately go on the attack. Look through your past posts on almost every topics I would say 2/3's of them are attack attack opinions from you.

I don't live in a very narrow opinioned world that you do Mr Silence. I like yo explore things even from the most outrageous points of view. Because that gives you a much bigger broader picture. I have brought up things on both sides of this hospital. But most important nobody gets left behind and the residents that live there first also come first. Everything else must revolve around that. But the people that don't live near this hospital or would ever consider it think they know best for their neighbors that do.

As far as the arguments the poor little hospital bought this land and should be able to do what they want. Well developments and projects are turned down all the time. A good business person knows to avoid a very controversial site or should know what they will be up against and should have a bail out plan in case it does not go thru. Look at the money and the firestorm this hospital is spending to force its way on this site when it was already voted down. So how much cost does that add to an hospital bed.

Silence the attack mentality you have coupled with your character assassination's does not make you look very intelligent or caring person in my opinion, no matter how well you write. Many of you dish the outrageous but these things are and should be thought of and taken into consideration when planning any development or project. I bet you the fire and rescues squads certainly do.

Lee j

Lee j

 

You want them to "feel bad" about closing. I guess what they say about the feminization or Oprahization of America is true! Wow. This is hilarious--I am going to forward this to everyone I know. You want them to "feel bad." And so what does "feeling bad" do? Oh, I know, nothing is about results anymore or about whether you actually help anyone...as long as you "feel" like you're helping someone.

Um, is that the new math?! Oh my gosh, Mr. Rogers, has anyone actually taught you basic rules of business and life? Interesting is how inane that comment is. Where to begin, hmmm. How about you are assuming a static environment and a zero sum game. You are not considering how many people travel outside of the county to get medical care. You are not considering that the new hospital will be serving different niches, and therefore drawing different customers than their competition. Wow. $12,000 a year for this, huh?

 

Okay, Mr Death Trap and the sky is falling all around us. I have consistently said there are legitimate points on both sides and that no side is wrong and no side is right. They just have different points of view.

What I do attack is stupid ideas and ludicrous fear-mongering put out by MY side. If i had to vote today, I would vote AGAINST the hospital for purely selfish, personal reasons. I see no benefit to my family and only increased aggravation by it. So I would be against it.

But what I don't like are inane posts like yours insinuating that there would be criminals hanging around all weekend, that this hospital placement will punish the poor and result in someone dying on the greenway. I don't like people insinuating our community would be overrun by mental patients and we'd have helicopters crashing onto homes.

I don't like it when you say incorrectly this hospital would be surrounded by residential when it's bordered by 6 lane and 4 lane roads and the Education Building. I don't like all these unfounded claims, and I have repeatedly asked for facts.

Stop weakening our case with stupid posts, that's all

 

Umm, my public school spent about $14k per student back in 1987. I was a National Merit Scholar, but more importantly, a HOBY Ambassador, a truly conservative organization. This is an organization that is founded on developing tomorrow's leaders, and the first sentence in their Mission Statement is:
"To motivate and empower individuals to make a positive difference within our global society through understanding and action based on effective and compassionate leadership."
I am going to assume by your posts that you lean a little toward the conservative side. Ronald Reagan, in his inaugural address included this famous quote, that separated him from many of our subsequent Presidents,
"We shall reflect the compassion that is so much a part of your makeup. How can we love our country and not love our countrymen; and loving them, reach out a hand when they fall, heal them when they're sick, and provide opportunity to make them self-sufficient so they will be equal in fact and not just in theory? "
Even a conservative, knows that the government must be compassionate. It is not a liberal idea, it is a human ideal.
Note: In my younger days, I was financial advisor, people who depend on their investments for their only source of income (such as retirees) should not invest in highly volitile markets like health care. They should be invested in fixed income products (bonds, etc). While I feel compassion for people in this bind, they should seek the advice of someone who understands balancing risk and income.

 

#3 Should not be on the list, as far as I'm concerned. If a hospital gets built it shouldn't matter by whom. If INOVA were planning to build a hospital, I would expect everyone here against the hospital to still be against it.

I know that isn't really how it would work, but it should. At no point does it matter to me while I'm making a decision who is building the hospital.

 

Silence have you ever worked with an fire Marshall on an project from top to bottom or VDOT or any transportation agency????? The things I say are nothing to what you can hear from fire and rescue or transportation or building inspectors.

Silence develop and build something from securing the financing to after the move in and just see what outrageous can really be. You sound like one of those know it alls that have never built anything yet has all the answers. I designed an large doctors space over in the attached building to Loudoun hospital. I bet most of you don't have a clue of the kinds of things that come up when designing just the interiors and layout of a space like that. And all we were doing was the interior the building is already there. You should hear what the fire Marshall had to say as well as the building inspector and plan review and the building managers. Not as simple as one might think and the things that had to be addressed that many of you would call outrageous here. Perhaps that is why some people don't get building permits because they think all the so called outrageous rules apply to others not them. I see it all the time, like several years ago I saw where someone (homeowner) took out an small supporting section of wall down in the basement and caused the upstairs floor to drop perhaps and inch or more. And this person goes on an rant how poorly the home built.

Nothing is considered outrageous when planning for any small scale or large scale project.

So silence when you develop and build something significant you might have a bit more credibility. And having someone build your house does not count unless you were the builder and subbed it out entirely and was responsible for everything that went into it and everyone that worked on it.

Lee j

 

I need to go walk my dog, but I won't be picking up her bio-degradable poohs! (Just kidding, my dog doesnt poop!)

 

Silence walk the site there is nothing but residential mostly as far as you can see. The only thing that is not is the school building and at least they put an hip roof of sorts to tone it down and Clyde's which is designed to look like an old farm house. This is the stupidity that some people only see what they want too.

There are hones very close to this hospital on both sides of the greenway with no commercial in between. At least Clyde's buffers nicely the homes across the street and Clyde's in an residential style ONE STORY building. You know the greenway has the look of an parkway not an urban freeway on the parts that are not destroyed by obtrusive commercial. Commercial can be beautiful designed and planned like an good neighbor or it can be intrusive and look like the project from hell becoming the bad evil neighbor. THat developer and architect make that decision almost from day one. There are developers and architects that care and there are others that don't.

Lee j

 

Respectfully disagreeing, you've consistenly brought up points (and outrageous doesn't begin to describe them) only against the hospital. I don't think I've seen you post anything in favor of it. That's pretty one-sided.

Probably nowhere near as much as it would cost if they had to sell their land at an assured loss, buy new land, re-hire planning and development experts, re-apply for the COPN, re-apply for the special exception to build, and so on. Sorry, their current course -- whether you like it or not -- is probably cheaper in the long run.

PS. Firestorms are not currency... they can't be spent.

 

I just wonder if our elected officials, locally and in Richmond, could broker a swap with all the proper approvals to a more appropriate parcel of Land 3-4 miles south. If it's impossible to do this, then I question the productiveness and guile of local and state government.