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Broadlands Hospital

Discussion in 'Broadlands Community Issues' started by joy, Jun 18, 2002.

  1. broken skull

    broken skull New Member

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    Yes, saving lives. That is what doctors do. Doctors work in hospitals, therefore hospitals save lives.

    You grew up in country 100 miles from a hospital. Super! I walked uphill to school both ways, in the snow!
     
  2. redon1

    redon1 aka Aphioni

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    Road improvements would be a fantastic side benefit to this hospital being built. but i fail to see the need for it to be 5 miles from another full service medical facility. anyone who can easily get to BRMC can easily get to Inova. aren't there parts of Loudoun that can't easily reach either location with paying tolls or fighting traffic? what does this location do for them?

    QUESTION: is Inova overrun with patients and turning folks away, providing inadequate care, or having to schedule appts months out because it is beyond handling capacity?

    if so, maybe there IS a reason to build another facility so close. if not- spread the wealth, and give other parts of loudoun convenient to reach healthcare...
     
  3. T8erman

    T8erman Well-Known Member

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    Falls under the "better care" bullet. :D
     
  4. afgm

    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

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    playingketchup,

    To make sure you're clear on the road offer. The offer to improve and widen Belmont Ridge was made during the last round of negotiations. It will need to be negotiated again between the County and the applicant (HCA) during this next round.

    History does show HCA has been more than reasonable with requests to make this hospital site one the County can be very please with. I'd anticipate Belmont Ridge will be discussed again.
     
  5. Homer Simpson

    Homer Simpson New Member

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    Broken Skull: Nice try to redirect. There still is a Hospital 5 miles away.
    AFGM: And why did they offer up the road concession? B/c we fought them, if we had not, there would be no improvements.
     
  6. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    So what? The county has 280,000 people and ONE hospital of less than 200 beds.

    Yes, and they stepped up to the plate. What has Inova offered? Squat for their Rte 50 hospital.
     
  7. afgm

    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

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    Homer, tell me how much Inova has coughed up in taxes over the years? Tell me how much pavement they have offered up over the last several decades? I'll give you a big hint, NOTHING!

    I heard one estimate that HCA will be bring at least 3.5 million to the County via taxes a year. That's one hell of a lot of much needed revenue. That is 3.5 million you and I won't have to pay in tax increases.
     
  8. Homer Simpson

    Homer Simpson New Member

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    I'm sure there will be a fight over the rt 50 Hospital as well. Then Inova will have to concede something. That seems to be the way it works since the County is either brain dead, chicken or corrupt.

    Yes, there are 200k+ here, most of which are 10 miles from Fairfax, which has Fair Oaks and Reston Hospitals. Not to mention the multitude of urgent cares.

    Yes we need another Hospital, yes moving the site now would delay it. But HAD HCA moved the site in the beginning instead of fighting the residents, it would be built by now. They would rather dig in, and fight their future customers than find another site. That is an indication of what a wonderful company it must be. Here is an excerpt from the fraud case:
    They want to be in Broadlands so bad b/c we are in the top percentage of incomes.
     
  9. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    You think they want to be in Broadlands because Broadlands is in the top 1% of incomes?
    There are many, many more communities in Ashburn, let alone the county, that have higher incomes than Broadlands.
    You also ignore the simple fact that 4 years ago there was NO suitable property available to build on Rte 50.
    And no, Inova is not proffering ANY significant road improvement proffers.
     
  10. gryphon

    gryphon Banned User

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    Again, I am neutral on the issue of a hospital in Broadlands. I can see pros and cons. However, our family definitely feels blessed to have shiny new hospital (Loudoun) just a few minutes away. We should not lose sight of that fact since many Americans live much further away from access to healthcare. As with many of the benefits we enjoy in Loudoun, we are truly blessed in this regard, too.

    Some of the posts above make it seem like we are facing a "healthcare crisis" in our community. That sort of rhetoric and hype does not advance the cause of those who want to build the hospital inside the Broadlands and makes me tune them out.
     
  11. afgm

    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

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    Homer, you're going to have to do a lot better than dragging up some third party article from the 1990's. You didn't address the tax issue.
     
  12. afgm

    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

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    gryphon, the requirement for a hospital really isn't to be debated. Healthcare needs are established by Richmond through the certificate of public need process. Gratefully this removes politics local political decisions on healthcare.

    At the beginning of this decade HCA was awarded the COPN for addition hospital beds in Loudoun, at the BRMC location, because of need. I don't have the links readily available but there are several population triggers and other indices that establish the need.
     
  13. afgm

    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

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    Good point Cliff, what roads did Loudoun Hospital build in Landsdowne? Zero! What roads did INOVA proffer on Rt 50? Zero!

     
  14. Homer Simpson

    Homer Simpson New Member

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    AFGM: You are right about the tax issue. One hospital will not solve it. Loudoun One is a great start.

    Cliff: Would it really cost that much to route water, sewer and electric to a suitable property on 50 back then? As much as widening belmont? Maybe.
     
  15. Lee

    Lee Permanent Vacation

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    The reston hca according to the map is about 10 miles and about 15 minutes away. I would dare say 95% of america does not live that close to an hospital. And of course the inova is half that distance and time.

    The way you all talk it seems most of the broadlands area will soon to be dead if an hospital is not built here soon ;)

    Personally I am undecided and actually could care less if it is built there it will not hurt my property values, the coming recession is doing that just fine. ;)

    I think the loudoun / ashburn area seems to be over medicated ha ha ha ha. I rarely take an asprin much less anything else, but those pain killers during my broken ribs were very lovely indeed tho. ha ha

    Now we have reports the last few days that some drugs lately are not what they are cracked up to be. I would be more impressed if we would build an Cooper Clinic where the emphasis is on prevention and exercise.

    The greatest cure in the world is moderate exercise. Now only if I would practice what I preach. ;);) And the best checkups I have ever had were at the cooper clinic in Dallas. With sports doctors!!!!!!!!

    Oh by the way I have been driving the section of belmont that you all say is this death trap. Not matter what time of day I have driven it it sure does not seem congested or dangerous compared to many other roads around here. I doing my research Like Cliff does ha ha ha ha ;);););)

    Lee j

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  16. Lee

    Lee Permanent Vacation

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    Somebody built them over their and by the way they funds been approved to make rt 7 light free from rt 28 to into leesburg. Those will be under construction soon. No talking it to death or task force to slow it down with. I am kidding about the task force but it is odd the road system in Lori's district is the best in Loudoun. I know Cliff has some problem with Lori waters but why are the major road improvements funded and approved in her district and they are building One Loudoun not waiting for the metro and roads that need to be built for our urban centers nope we feel an road in the middle of nowhere is necessary and it should of been built with builder developer proffers anyway. Like the section of Belmont thru Brambleton. That money would do more good to build another connection to rt 28 to help the nightmare on waxpool. That road connection would help the most people in our area.

    Hey build your hospital and I still have not heard a word from the hospital people about an informative meeting to separate the fact from fiction from the horses mouth. Lets see how long this will take. If they can convince me I could be one of there biggest advocates :clap::clap: But now I am just waiting to see what they really are going to build and see what their long range plans really are.

    Lee j
     
  17. T8erman

    T8erman Well-Known Member

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    I have a question. If Inova builds a hospital off Rt. 50 will it also be tax-exempt or is it just the Loudoun campus?
     
  18. playingketchup

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    OK, so some folks are saying we have too much health care around here? That doesn't fly. Health care choice and competition is good for all of us. And T8erman, i am not an expert, but i have to believe that the Rt. 50 property would be tax-exempt for invoa just like all the rest. HCA's would generate taxes.
     
  19. afgm

    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

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    Inova is a non-profit, tax exempt organization. It doesn't matter if it is in Landsdowne, Rt 50 or in Fairfax. No taxes.

    Sorta makes you wonder how they can pay millions fighting the introduction of competition into the county.

     
  20. lilpea

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    T8 - based on the comment made by Randy Kelly, CEO of Loudoun Hosp last week to our BoS - "...if BRMC is built, there will be no hospital built on the Route 50 corridor in my life time" - you can go to loudoun.gov and review last week's webcast.

    I attended the public input session this week and Mr. Kellys statement was referenced by several residents.

    For Inova to make this kind of statement to our BoS is shameful.
     

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