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Be Careful Tonight

Discussion in 'Broadlands Community Issues' started by Genco, Apr 3, 2011.

  1. marielaveau

    marielaveau Voodoo Queen

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    I will say this as a closing argument - It does not matter the number of parents, 2 vs 1. What matters is the involvement of whomever the governing parent(s) is(are). You can have an "intact" home of two uninvolved parents, and any other derivative thereof, one, three, five, whathaveu. Active parenting is the key, especially after they are cute littles. When they are stinky teenagers is when you, the parent, really need to remain engaged. Yes, they can stay home alone, but it is up to the parent to decide if they are able to based on maturation and social factors.
     
  2. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    Your first post said throw the book at them with their first offense......make sure schools and possible employers know about what they did. In other words, make sure it is difficult for them to overcome a juvenile mistake.
    There was nothing about "habitial" in your post.
    If you are now changing your opinion, then that's fine and I tend to agree with this sentiment.
    Glad we now agree!
     
  3. Mr. Linux

    Mr. Linux Senior Member & Moderator Forum Staff

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    Kansas State Statute 21-4619 specifically states the following in subsection C (emphasis in quote added by me):

    http://kansasstatutes.lesterama.org/Chapter_21/Article_46/21-4619.html

    Either you have your facts wrong, the story isn't true, or there's something else going on. I apologize ahead of time if I offend you by stating that you might have your facts wrong or that the story isn't true.
     
  4. redon1

    redon1 aka Aphioni

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    absolutely right marie!!!

    it's sad to me that in this day and age, that tired, played out stereotypes of the affects of certain family dynamics still exist. SURELY with all the social media and wealth of information out there now, it's COMMON KNOWLEDGE that great families or 2 parent families don't necessarily produce great kids, and 1 parent or struggling or dysfunctional families don't necessarily produce BAD/DAMAGED kids. i think the odds are too close to call that your kid will eventually behave how your kid wants to behave REGARDLESS of how you parent. there's no guaranteed FORMULA- sometimes your best ain't good enough, and sometimes the worst parents can still have a stellar kid.

    i am one of 6 from a 2 parent family- my folks are still married after 50 years! 3 of us are hard working, productive members of society, and 3 of us, well--- are NOT. it was about OUR choices. my parents gave us all the same tools and upbringing and morals, half of us used them, half didn't. there is only 11 months separating good seeds and bad apples, so it's not age difference that mattered with my family.

    one of those not so great sibs is a single mom with 3 kids from 3 men- NONE are around- on welfare. she made a lot of bad CHOICES. she has a son that is AMAZING and despite growing up on welfare and in ghettos and without a father, he is an A student, amazing community servant with school and church, a positive influence on peers, and is destined for greatness.

    those studies posted earlier are utter crap pushing the agenda of whatever the author wants you to believe. there are plenty of
    crap-tacular children of caring loving adults who simply gave birth to a rotten person. there are plenty of fantastic children who rise ABOVE their crap-tacular parents.

    STOP with the labeling and pigeonholing and assumptions. it's lousy, flawed data that is proven to have as many EXCEPTIONS as it does "rules." :angryfire:
     
  5. marielaveau

    marielaveau Voodoo Queen

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    I HEART Redon!!!!!! :cheerleader: :cheerleader: :cheerleader:
     
  6. wolf685cln

    wolf685cln New Member

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    Personally, I don't believe there is a one size-fits all statistic, and what metrics there are can be sliced and diced to support any viewpoint..

    Similar to a previous post, I too came from a 'broken' household where the parents probably should have separated long before they actually did. I found myself in frequent trouble with alcohol/drugs, then more alcohol in the military, then both again in college before hitting the floor very hard. Broke and alone, I wound up in DC and, through a series of fortunate events I managed to regroup, rebuild and become somewhat of a success in life, IMO.

    Thinking back on that experience in relation to this post, had every mistake I hmade been recorded and held over my head for the rest of my life I don't think I would have had the opportunity to accomplish what I have accompished in life. Then what, another unskilled, unaccomplished person wandering around suppressed forever for a few mistakes? No family, career, house... or more like a scene from Les Misrables, hiding for the rest of your life living a lie to get it.

    No, I don't want crime in our neighborhood, noone does. But just because a few kids raid Dad's 6 pack and decides to egg/paintball someone's house doesn't mean that we need to automatically drop the judicial hammer on their heads and make them pay for it forever. Get pissed for a sec, then sit back and remember 'oh yeah, I remember when I was that stupid'.. i'd bet that most of us were.

    Life balances itself out naturally, we don't need the feds to do it for us.
     
  7. REA3Fan

    REA3Fan New Member

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    You go SINGLE MOTHER!!! I have faced the same bias in this community. It's pretty amazing that those of us who go it alone and work hard to raise our kids alone are seen as having kids that are somehow "less than" the ones who have two parents who don't necessarily feel the need to parent. I find most Single Parents are more vigilant in trying to make their kids do the right things!
     
  8. PDILLM

    PDILLM Well-Known Member

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    I had a professor that was very politicially incorrect most of the time, but he often made this point! He once said something to the effect "Statistics are like prostitutes, once you get them on their back you can do with them pretty much whatever you want." He went on to show us how you can take a set of numbers and make then do whatever you wanted......
     
  9. mamatothree

    mamatothree New Member

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    Perhaps the last word on statistics can be found here http://www.quotegarden.com/statistics.html

    This is one of my favorites:
    Then there is the man who drowned crossing a stream with an average depth of six inches. ~W.I.E. Gates
     

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