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Broadlands - Overland Park & CWC

Discussion in 'Community Broadband & Computers' started by mhughes, Aug 8, 2002.

  1. mhughes

    mhughes New Member

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    Does anyone know if the CWC wireless coverage will reach to the other side of the greenway for folks that live in the new Overland Park section of the Broadlands?

    Michael Hughes
     
  2. Dwarflord

    Dwarflord New Member

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    Are you talking about the new section off of Claiborne Pkwy? If so, I know that most of those houses will have broadband hooked up to them via the builder/Verizon as a standard feature. So broadband is already available. I was out there about 2 months ago and when the sales rep told me this I couldnt believe that Verizon couldnt push out to the rest of us. Im almost certain this is the case. But, Ive been wrong many many times before....:)

    DwArFlOrD
     
  3. Mr. Linux

    Mr. Linux Senior Member & Moderator Forum Staff

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    Michael, if you are talking about the small section of Broadlands on the other side of the Greenway, across from the apartment complex, then yes, my understanding is that you *should* have coverage. The issue is the fact that the area in question is quite low as opposed to the rest of the community.

    Once CWC gets their gear on the tower, I'll make sure one of the committee members (or even myself) runs a test from that location...

    Eric

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  4. mhughes

    mhughes New Member

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    Yeah, this is the section that is past the apartments. We do not get the broadband as standard hook up like the section to the south off of claiborne. Although I have this fancy fiber that comes up next to my house and is not connected to anything yet. Adelphia is not an option for me either yet as somehow van metre buried the cable box under my front yard. Adelphia has said they will fix this but they have had the utilities marked at least twice for the digging but are still way behind.

    My house is wired all cat 5 and I have a router and a switch with multiple computers on the network. With cable modem or DSL (which I had in Georgia) I shared my high speed connection, is this type of arrangement workable with the CWC system? It seems as is each computer would establish each on wireless connection. Any thoughts appreciated.





    Michael Hughes
     
  5. Mr. Linux

    Mr. Linux Senior Member & Moderator Forum Staff

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    Yes Michael, you'll be able to do just what you mentioned with the wireless service. The way John and I will be doing it is via a Wireless Bridge. The particular unit we bought was the WET11 from Linksys. Basically, in a DSL setup such as you described, the bridge sits in the place of the DSL modem. Everything else stays the same.

    If you decide not to go the 'bridge' route, you can get multiple wireless NICS for all your computers (costly!), or you can hookup one computer and share the access to all your other boxes on your network. The WET11 bridge is just a cleaner solution for me. It's small, easy to setup and a drop in replacement for current access methods...

    As part of our agreement with CWC, we made sure that they would not be against users 'sharing' their access with other machines on their home network. Of course, sharing access with your 'neighbor' would be against the terms of use...

    Eric

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  6. Dwarflord

    Dwarflord New Member

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    Vapor/anyone else knowing wireless hardware,
    Ive been looking for a similar hardware solution, but would like to use a router/firewall instead of the WET11 you mentioned earlier. Most of the solutions I see for a wireless router have a cable/dsl connection to ISP and w/4port switches and wireless connectivity to the LAN. The cable/dsl is to connect to a "WAN" port only and the lan is to connect either wireless or via 1 of 4 ports on the switch. My question is can I set this up so that it can access CWC via wireless as if it were a lan and still run dhcp to the internal 4port switch and work correctly?---basically circumventing the cable/dsl port altogether. I'm not sure if these routers were designed to function in this capacity, but a router should not care what the default route is, but just route the traffic. If anyone has come across a configuration like this Id like to hear how it turned out. Im looking at 2 solutions, the Linksys BEFW11S4 and the D-link DI614+ (dont know if the latter is Wi-Fi certified though). Thanks in advanced!


    DwArFlOrD
     
  7. Banshee

    Banshee New Member

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    DwArFlOrD,

    If I understand correctly, you have your motorola cable modem currently connected to a router/switch, the router/switch allowing you to share the internet connection via dhcp? I have this setup as well. I would like to replace the cable modem with a device that is capable of receiving the wireless signal and connect that via a patch cable to my Linksys router/switch and so on. Is that what your after? Is that what the WET11 will do? Or does the BEFW11S4 receive the wireless signal and act as the router/switch?

    I guess it's time for me to do a little research...

    Thanks

    Rob

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  8. Mr. Linux

    Mr. Linux Senior Member & Moderator Forum Staff

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    Not sure if you can do what you are trying to do without using a bridge. As far as I know, the current Cable/DSL router with wireless boxes (like the Linksys or Netgear ones) consider the main source of internet connectivity to be from the 'wired' side, thus the DSL/cable ethernet port.

    The Linksys WET11 acts as a bridge between the wireless world and the ethernet world. It's a drop-in replacement for your cable modem or DSL modem. Basically, it's a box with an antennae on it and an ethernet port on the back. You configure the WET11 to connect to an Access Point (or another unit in Ad-Hoc mode). Once that's done, you connect the WET11 to your router, firewall and/or computer directly with an ethernet cable.

    Just like how your current cablemodem connects the 'Coax cable' side to the 'ethernet' side, the WET does the same thing, but connecting the Wireless side to the ethernet side...

    Since I don't own a BEFW11S4, I couldn't tell you if you can make it consider the 'wireless' side to be the 'internet' connection instead of the ethernet side... It would be pretty easy to test though. If you have a friend with an Access Point (AP), try to connect your BEFW11S4 to his/her AP and see if you can use your unit as the gateway on your network, routing packets out to the wireless side...

    If it works out, let us know.

    Vapor8

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  9. Twriter

    Twriter Get a Mac!

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    I also have multiple computers in my household. I already have a wireless network in the house for sharing data. Through this wireless network access point we also share dial-up internet access.

    When we go with CWC wireless, my solution is to buy a wireless bridge like the WET11 that Eric and John have talked about. The wireless bridge will connect to CWC. I'll connect the bridge to a hardware firewall, and then connect the firewall to my existing access point. The access point will then distribute the service to my home computers. I may skip the firewall at first because funds are tight right now, but I'd prefer to have one.

    The key is to make sure the internal access point uses a different channel than the external bridge that connects to CWC. This way there won't be any interference between my home network and the community network.

    If I understand this correctly, this setup will enable me to comfortably share one CWC account among multiple computers, but the downside is that I won't be able to roam Broadlands with my laptop. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

    --- John (Twriter)
     
  10. Dwarflord

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    I wont be able to use a wireless router (Linksys BEFW11S4 ) as I had hoped, Vapor was right on one of the limitations where the router needs to have ISP connection via the dsl/cablemodem port only. The thing is that this hardware does not "really" work like a router. One just can direct traffic from one interface to another like on a router. This router views the 4 port switch and wireless as the "lan" segment only and will only act as a dhcp server, not a client and server ---which was what I was hoping for, and the "wan" side as the dhcp client. I will have to take the same path as you guys. I just got one of the new linksys cable/dsl routers and like it a lot. Should have got one sooner. Now once CWC is operational, ill have to get a wireless<-->Ethernet bridge (WET11). Thanks for the insight. Does anyone know the status of CWC now? I hope the LEC has at least installed the circuit. The antennaes should be out there by now and testing throughout the neighborhood should have started. I wonder if HornerJo has any updates for us, or is he on vacation this week?
    Nite!

    DwArFlOrD
     
  11. Ericlva

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    Does anyone know if there are ANY high speed options available for Overland Park residents. Not that I trust sales people, but I think I remember Jerry saying that high speed was available in some form. I feel like the stepchild of Broadlands. I've checked verizon, att, and adelphia to no avail. I am willing to take anything at this point... dialup sucks!
     
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    John - did you get your below question answered?

    Thanks, Scott


    Scott Davis
     
  13. Twriter

    Twriter Get a Mac!

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    Hi Scott!

    No, I've not had any replies to my question. The approach I've laid out should work.

    I have turned up a few more pieces of information.
    1. The minimum channel separation between the CWC service and my access point (an Apple Airport) should either be 3 channels or 6 channels. I have one source that says 3 and one that says 6. There are 11 channels total, and as long as CWC doesn't use one of the middle numbers, I'm OK. Evidently the higher the channel, the higher the frequency, and the better the transmission through solid objects (houses, walls, trees, and so on).

    2. CWC will register up to 3 IDs per account, so I could register my wireless bridge (the WET11) , and two of my laptop cards. This way I can still roam the community with those two laptops. If you have three or fewer computers, you do not need a wireless bridge. Of course you may still want one if your laptop cards are not strong enough to communicate with the CWC antenna. The expense of buying higher powered cards is greater than the price of the WET11 (around $120).

    --- John
     
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    FYI: I'm not on vacation this week... I'm in baby classes most of the week! Gotta learn to be a daddy, cpr classes, etc.

    I tried calling CWC for our weekly phone update, but they have been busy. As soon as I get the latest update, I'll be sure to post.

    John

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    Hi all. I don't live in Broadlands right now but am looking at possibly building there.
    I'm in Ashburn Village right now. Quick question... does CWC offer static IP? As I understand
    from this thread and reading on their site, I could purchase the 1MB bi-directional service
    for $90/mo; and then I could share that access throughout my own home using my Linksys Wireless
    Ethernet router?

    Man... that's almost enough reason to move to Broadlands in itself ;).

    _Sean_
     
  16. hornerjo

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    That's a 'yes' to both. They will offer multiple static IPs. I think they may give 1 for free, but may charge for more if demand for them builds up.

    John

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    That's awesome. Well now I need to go back over to Broadlands today to look at
    homes =]. Thanks for the prompt response! So I saw you're in "daddy classes"... new baby or
    one on the way? I just had my third, a daughter! Maybe we can exchange lessons on skills...
    I know how to diaper, you know how to get your community all setup w/ CWC ;)



    Edited by - rogue on 09/15/2002 09:36:07
     
  18. hornerjo

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    Having my first, a girl. CWC is probably still at least a month off from starting service, they are still messing around with getting the antennas pointed right, getting an amp certified and are still waiting for Verizon to get off their butts and install the local loop. Gotta love a monopoly that doesnt care one bit to help the competition out. :(

    John

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  19. rogue

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    I went and looked at Broadlands - South Walk today, that's most likely where I'll be buying if I move into the broadlands. Would you happen to know whether the wireless solution will reach the south walk (the new section toward the south of Broadlands. It's just on the other side of the middle school. Does anybody know anything at all about Open Band and how good it is? Thanks!

    _sean_
     
  20. SpongeBob

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    I would say consider yourself lucky if you can get OpenBand. Their (advertised) speeds are incredible! Has anyone had any experience with them that might contribute about Openband's performance so far?
     

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