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How do you afford

Discussion in 'General Chat Forum' started by loudoun_terp, Dec 28, 2009.

  1. loudoun_terp

    loudoun_terp New Member

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    I live in the area in a TH and hope to move to a bigger SF home at some point with the family getting bigger. I'm always curious with the housing prices in the area, what kind of household situation and mortgage budget owners of single family homes are willing to take on. I know that this can be a sensitive question to some and can completely understand if you don't want to answer, but if it's not would appreciate some insight in terms of:

    - single or dual income (husband, wife, or both)
    - household gross annual income
    - loan amount and monthly payment
     
  2. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    well the one thing that is constant is everyone borrows money from the same people. What isn't constant is how people earn or spend their money.

    So you should just look at the house prices and know from uniform mortgages how much people pay. Then figure out if you can afford to pay that.

    With the latest downturn... homes were available in the 400s even in the neighborhood.. vs the 700+ that the boom was bringing. Affording that is going to depend a lot on how you spend your money. Do you stay the traditional <50% of your income goes to your mortgage, or do you spend more on it? etc.

    I know it seems like fuzzy math at times when people are single income.. and they have 2 40+k cars in the driveway and all kinds of other stuff... but maybe everyone else's job pays a lot more then mine :)
     
  3. mdcrim

    mdcrim Member

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    We moved from a TH to a SFH almost 7 years ago. At the time, townhouses were going for about $150,000 to $200,000 less than single family homes. It's probably about the same now. We noticed that, even with the real estate market fluctuations, the differences in prices remained the same. We had to make the decision to take on the higher payments in exchange for more space and a yard.

    We rolled in all the appreciation from the sale of the townhouse into the single family home. Had we stayed in the townhouse, we could have definitely survived on one income. Since the move, it would be very tight to not have the second income.

    I think it really depends on your personal financial situation and what you're comfortable paying.
     
  4. wahoogeek

    wahoogeek New Member

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    do you have and do you stick to a monthly budget now? That is the best way to answer this question for yourself as you can't compare your situation to others.

    Our story: when we were renting, we developed a budget to save for a down payment on our first house. We had to push hard to save and there's always a need for some flexibility. By going through that experience for a year+, we knew what mortgage payments we could live with, what amount was out of our reach, etc. In addition, going through this allowed us to prioritize what was important to us -- both work versus one, vacations, auto purchases, etc. Only you can make these decisions and in turn, determine the best way for you to "make the move." I wouldn't base my biggest purchase in life on what other's have done, but on what I know I can do.
     
  5. lilpea

    lilpea Member

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    I think it also depends on how much you plan to put down and what area of Blands, as prices vary on SFHs in the neighborhood. Remember to look at past tax records of the property you are interested in purchasing as well as the increase to your homeowners insurance.

    In our situation we had a very healthy nest egg (based on the sale of our former TH) which we applied towards our current SFH mortgage. We budgeted our mortgage on a single income, partly because we knew that we would be starting a family and I would most likely stay home. That said we were lucky enough to put down a large amount and it eliminated the PMI (2ndary mortage if you elect to not put down 20%).

    Also I would look into loan rates from Credit Unions. Case in point we went with USAA and qualified for a much lower interest rate. Partly because we have multiple insurance packages with them as well as several banking/savings accounts. I hope this helps.
     
  6. Zeratul

    Zeratul Well-Known Member

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    It does not matter too much what you "think" you can budget and afford... and what comfort you have... You will not get there unless you can fit into a certain formula and have a certain credit background.

    Anyone who is seriously thinking about getting a mortgage - I would suggest talking to a mortgage broker or loan officer. With credit harder to get get these days, you will need a decent debt to income ratio. If you can not qualify for a traditional mortgage you may be able to get an FHA loan, with a higher interest rate.

    I think the benchmark banks are looking for is between 38% - 42% for debt to income ratio. Above that, I would think it is hard to qualify these days. And I think the typical family would have a hard time living on a budget with a mortgage payment that takes up 50% to 55% of your income.

    It can be done but I am just saying that it would be hard to get a loan with those conditions. We would have a hard time living on 1 income now while trying to save for retirement, college and doing things like family vacations etc.
     
  7. lilpea

    lilpea Member

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    I also forgot to add - I would also factor in the following for budgetary purposes:
    HOA dues (based on what area of the neighborhood they vary from $78-$250+, the $250 mark applies towards courtyard style homes in SouthernWalk)
    Increase in utilities
    Furniture budget
    Account for general upkeep (such as painting, caulking, windows and/or an aging HVAC system or appliances)
     
  8. Dawne

    Dawne HOA Sec/Treas, Tech Comm

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    I think that banks are still pretty tight with credit. I'm guessing they're still looking for a 32% mortgage to gross income ratio.

    Example: If you gross $105,000 a year, then your monthly mortgage payment (principal, interest, and possibly escrow amounts) - should be under $2,800 [105,000x.32/12].

    And don't forget those wonderful Loudoun County Property taxes.
     
  9. nova_southernwalk

    nova_southernwalk New Member

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    I'm not sure this is what he is looking for?

    From a previous post of his: "I live nearby in Loudoun Valley Estates and licensed in mortgages/refinance, investments, mutual funds, IRAs/401K rollovers, annuities, and term/permanent insurance."
     
  10. KTdid

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    Fishing...:whistle: OR informal marketing survey!
     
  11. Steve Campot

    Steve Campot Broadlands Real Estate Broker

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    If you go to my website you will find a bunch of stats on any area. From population density to average house hold income. Follow this link and plug in any zip code.

    There is also a mortgage prequalification calculator.

    Hope you find that helpful.

    Happy New Year,
    Steve Campot
    Real Estate Broker
    www.sgcrealestate.com
     
  12. Forum Administrator

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    Please keep advertising out of the main forums. If you want to advertise your business, you can do so in the Broadlands Advertisers forum.

    Thank you.
     
  13. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    What one can do to help answer these questions are understand their true costs for this area

    - utilities
    - insurance
    - hoa fees
    - mortgage

    With those you can ball park how much you need a month. The biggest variable being the mortgage because how much people financed will vary.

    We rolled all the money from our TH sale into the SFH to keep our loan from being a jumbo, and bought down our interest rate a bit so we could keep the monthly expenses down more. But you can't do that if you don't have the money up front, etc. So its really hard to compare across different situations. Some come in from a big home sale, others not. Some have lots of debt, others have none, etc.

    We did it by
    - staying in a TH for 9 years and making a good profit on it
    - buying when the market was down
    - sticking to a target price range when looking at houses
    - big down payment to
    - avoid jumbo rates
    - avoid PMI
    - buy the rate down slightly to what should remain a historically low number so we shouldn't ever have to refi
    - avoiding other debt

    Sure people may make a lot more or lot less - but its about how they allocate their money. The guy making 200k, may also have $1400 in car payments too that you may not have. If you avoid having large credit debts, or lots of other car loans, etc you can increase your buying power significantly.

    The mortgage part is easy to figure out. It's planning your other expenses that are tougher.

    We've actually managed to keep our recurring expenses reasonable vs when we were in the TH

    HOA Dues - lower in the SFH then TH. Now $67.25/mon
    Electric - $1900/yr (less then 10% increase over our TH)
    Gas - $1600/yr (about 25% increase over TH)
    Water - $400/yr (less then our TH)
    Mortgage (including Insurance and Tax) - $2850/mon

    Things like your food, telephone, cable, other debts, are all more under your control. But you can see with a good loan setup.. some blankets :) and being cost conscious.. you can go a long way.

    Now what isn't listed above there is we spent nearly 30k after first moving in the house to get things missing, fix essentials, and other various moving expenses.

    But my 2850/mon doesn't look bad at all when you consider the Apartment we rented inbetween houses was costing me nearly 2k/mon after all the various fees, etc. So $900/mon for an apartment vs a SFH doesn't sound bad :D
     
  14. afgm

    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

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    I didn't take the post as advertising. In fact, I found it very interesting and useful. Seems a little bit of an over reaction to me. In fact, I just came back to get another look at the link, and it was censored. Sure would be nice to get it back.

     
  15. msflynn

    msflynn New Member

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    He is an advertiser on our main HOA web page so if you go to the main page and click on the top logo you will be able to navigate to the same information again.

    Staci
     
  16. afgm

    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

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    Sounds good thanks. Jeez, what a way to treat those who support the operation. I still don't think he was advertising.
     
  17. Steve Campot

    Steve Campot Broadlands Real Estate Broker

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    I appreciate your support but it is a fine line. While I was trying to be helpful I can see how it may have come across as advertising. Formadmin does a great job and volunteers a huge amount of his time.

    Thanks again and I will PM those links to you and any one else who would like them.

    Thanks
    Steve Campot
    Real Estate Broker
    www.sgcrealestate.com
     
  18. Mr. Linux

    Mr. Linux Senior Member & Moderator Forum Staff

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    Afgm, what you think is irrelevant in this matter.
     
  19. afgm

    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

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    Mr. Linux, I've been here long enough to know that. I also know if I push this any farther I'll get banned, I've learned my lesson from before. Carry on, and thank you for reminding me of the rules. This is the last you'll here from me on this subject, I promise. And I apologize for any issues I may have caused.
     
  20. T8erman

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    What have you done with the REAL AFGM?!?! ;)
     

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