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Loudoun losing It's Brain Power

Discussion in 'General Chat Forum' started by Lee, Feb 18, 2008.

  1. Lee

    Lee Permanent Vacation

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    I know what you are saying Rodgers but the apartments far far across from the hospital, well people have a choice to live there because they know the hospital is there when they sign the lease and can move without the possible hassle of losing value on selling there homes. That hospital was first and is still far far separated from the single family owners as opposed to the broadlands being forced upon people that never dreamed or had a choice that they would be living very close to an possible hospital. One group has a choice the other does not if built after the fact.
     
  2. Lee

    Lee Permanent Vacation

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    The economic brochure does not show the ugly buildings it shows the beautiful buildings and countryside. The hospital may be very shortsighted in thinking especially if the county is not growing like it was and the future does not look good. The hospital may naot be the economic boom if it starts to cannibalize the other one and visa versa. THe hospital was approved during extreme growth and we are slowing down to a crawl at the moment and for the foreseeable future. I rest my case.
     
  3. gryphon

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  4. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    This county cold easily support another hospital if not a single additional person moves here.
    How? National average for hospital beds is 3 beds per thousand residents.
    Take Inova Loudoun's 189beds plus BRMC's proposed 140 for a total of 329.
    329 beds for 270,000 people. That's 1.2 beds/thousand.
    Not only could the county support it, there's room for more!

    Sorry to point out a fact that doesn't support your opinion.
    This is the type of thing that Flynnibus has been trying to point out to you.
    I rest my case.
     
  5. Lee

    Lee Permanent Vacation

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    Then why is there not huge waiting lines at inova and reston and fairfax hospitals if we are so short of hospital space. Here is what I am thinking is the better solution. Approving a mini hospital in the broadlands and another mini hospital off rt 50 for the moment. Then allow the rt 50 hospital to grow before you allow the broadlands hospital to expand. If these hospital people were on the ball they would of picked an just site south of brambleton and they would of never had gotten themselves into this hate campaign. Now they have become like little kids we are going to build on this broadlands site no matter what and god help anyone that gets in our way. Dam everyone that opposes us. That is how they are starting to look in the public arena.

    And if they build in the brambleton area you can still get your belmont ridge widening. Win win for everyone on an brambleton site.
     
  6. gunzour

    gunzour "Living on the Edge"

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    Actually, they are looking like someone who wants to build an already-approved hospital on property that they own, and are now becoming victims of a politicized process. Seems to me like if you buy some property, and get the county to approve your plans, you should be allowed to follow through with that.

    Try not to inflate your own opinions by calling them "the public arena".
     
  7. T8erman

    T8erman Well-Known Member

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    So Gryph, what is the "public" plan missing? Do you want finite details included that IMO should not necessarily be made public?

    You asked IF a pan existed, well, one does. And now you find something to complain about with it. I doubt you would be satisfied with a plan if it was the length of War and Peace ("it's too long!).
     
  8. T8erman

    T8erman Well-Known Member

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    So Lee, you WANT long lines before we even consider a new hospital??? And believe me, it may not be on a daily basis but there a plenty of significant wait times in ER rooms across the region to justify additional beds.

    BTW, Brambleton was my idea! ;)

    As far as HCA being little kids, I think you are stretching that a WEEEE bit. They ALREADY own the land in Broadlands, it ALREADY has utility support, it ALREADY is on a major artery, it was ALREADY approved by the State.

    And just like you have a CHOICE of where to live and maximize your earning potential, HCA or any other company should have a choice too.
     
  9. Lee

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    No no no no the hospital was not approved it was voted down by the BOS that is why they are going to court. They did not buy land approved for an hospital they need to get an exemption to build the hospital.

    So I have no clue what you are talking about that this has been approved or the land is zoned for an hospital or it would be under construction right now. How come it is not being built if it is approved???????
     
  10. Lee

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    Well just call me Obama ha ha ha ha :happygrin:

    I did not think you wanted it out that you would perfer like me and many others for the hospital to be built in another better location. ;) So we do agree. I will have to mark this down as an banner day Lee and T8 actually agree on something.:happygrin:
     
  11. gunzour

    gunzour "Living on the Edge"

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    It was approved by the state. (Sorry for the typo in last post)
     
  12. T8erman

    T8erman Well-Known Member

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    ActuaLEE, I would like the hospital to be built in Broadlands since it can start soonest.

    A Brambleton or any other site, would not even start for several years to come.
     
  13. Lee

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    Well it may be years for the broadlands hospital with the litigation etc. and they still need approval from the BOS and that is not going to be any slam dunk.

    So they possibly would save time and money by picking an site down by brambleton that is acceptable to everyone and still build belmont ridge :) If everything thing goes there way it will be still 3 to 4 years away or more before they are open on the broadlands site.
     
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    Talk about scaring businesses away from the county.
     
  15. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    And I can guarantee you there will be a vocal group of residents in Brambleton that will oppose it and Inova will continue to oppose it.
    So, there would still be opposition and it will be many more years before being built.
    Sounds like a lose lose to me.
     
  16. Lee

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    Sounds like you are an non paid worker for HCA ;)
     
  17. Lee

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    Good decisions don't split communities and people like this controversial hospital site has. Now HCA is stuck with it and going to spend untolds amount of money force the community to have them and then they are going to charge you all more for hospital care to get it back and you will all gladly pay it from your health insurance policies who cares most of it not coming out of your pocket. Real smart thinking.
     
  18. Lee

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    further if they were smart they would not build it up against existing homes in the brambleton as in the broadlands. This is why this county has out grown the resident planning and needs professionals with proven track records that can solve the tough problems. Don't even get me started how poorly a lot the recent road system is, including the 30 to 50 million dollar sterling rt 28 interchange which is going to lose half its use when they build that industrial building that will completely block of any straight connection to shellhorn. Rt 7 rt 28 and rt50 all have parallel feeder or service roads planned or already built for each side of those roads. THe greenway has absolutely nothing planned and is cutting off any possibility with the poor planning of misplaced developments so you will never have those service roads which is going to create an hodgepodge mess. Another reason we need professional planners with proven track records instead of the civilian planners or county planners so we get innovative solutions to some very tough problems out there. The county is boxing itself into some tough problems because of previous poor planning. Isn't waxpool wonderful to sit in everyday with absolutely no solution in sight perhaps for years years if ever.
     
  19. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    Lee, this is one of the most asinine things you've posted....and that's saying a lot. It displays your complete ignorance about who healthcare/insurance works. I won't even bother trying to explain because it will do no good.
    Stick to drawing pretty pictures.
     
  20. Lee

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    It seems when people disagree with you they are always ignorant. ;) And you are the worlds expert on health care zoning and planning. And btw your hoa is giving wrong advice about the building code in the heights of the decks off grade that need handrails. I heard you are using 36" and it is over 30" and three risers or more need handrails on the stairs which will be even lower the 30". That is the simple version. There is the similar ignorance about the building code with my Hoa which I just sent them a letter to set them straight.
     

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