HOA considering restrictions on home-based businesses? (merged)

Thank You

 

That doesn't sound like negotiation to me--that's an ultimatum with the expected response! Problem solving--in a calm, unemotional state--is an entirely different proposition, with entirely different results.

 

As you stated to YOU, that sounds like an ultimatum.. But it wasnt, we as neighbors came to her BEFORE the HOA got involved. We didnt just jump up grab the HOA... We had this talk a while ago.. and again since then.

 

please be open minded to try something new ... isnt it worth it to rid yourself of all of your angst and frustration????

 

Again, as Reagan said, "trust but verify." While the HOA may not want to restrict telecommuting, I just want to see the language of the proposed restrictions that Mrs Smith wants to impose on the community. Why is that unreasonable if there is genuinely nothing to hide?

When laws and regulations are drafted, you have to be very careful to make sure that you avoid unintended consequences. Writing these rules is part art and part science. I am raising my concerns out of a desire to make sure that any of the new community-wide rules that Mrs Smith wants do not inadvertently affect other activities. The HOA may (and likely does) have the best intentions, but there should be nothing wrong with trying to get verification, right?

That said, why in the world hasn't Mrs Smith posted the text of the new rules that she wants? Posting the language should make any concerns of the impact on telecommuting go away, right?

 

Celebrate, your post is quite true. It's also not really a negotiation when someone is holding a gun to your head.

 

Gryphon, it sounds like you are baiting a woman who is already very stressed and frustrated over this situation--not cool where I am from. I think you know that no proposed rules, restrictions or language have been recommended by anyone at this stage.

So to consistently bait and repeatedly call for something you know does not exist is an attempt to inflame the situation.

 

First, nice way to repay a compliment. I see that you are all about "celebrating calm" as long as you get to set the ground rules.

Second, that may be how you view it. However, it's not at all unreasonable to ask to see them to put their proposal in writing so the entire Broadlands community can review it. If she did that, we could all evaluate the language and come to our own informed opinions and the speculation could cease. I'm all for that.

 

Telecommuting is working from home which is the same principle as a home business. Each receives payment for work/services rendered. Also, you are able to take a tax deduction for a home office wether it be a private business or working from home. This is where the whole idea of why I bring it up.

The post above listing the raves 3 nights and every weekend are different. Most home owners are home during the evening and weekends which is a greater impact than something that happens during "normal" business hours. But if this were to happen the first thing I would do is try and talk to my neighbor about this and come to a resolution.

Also, by your post if the Girl Scouts have meetings every Saturday then I could complain about this to the HOA and have them stop? The HOA has better things to do then this. Like I said previously this situation will not have a happy ending for someone or the community.

One more thing, if I work nights can I petition the HOA to stop my neighbors from cutting the grass during the day? Now by this example I hope you see how this situation of having the HOA decide something that should be decided by neighbors?

Enjoy your evening!

 

Nice try, Gryphon, but you cannot bait me. If you give compliments in order to get something, then you need to come to one of our Workshops on emotional maturity. I give my power to no one.

It is clear from your postings on this board that you often act like the little playground bully or tattletale who likes to incite others (like asking for something that does not exist over and over again!), but then complains to the teacher when someone calls him on it. You can play that game with others, but I've seen that from too many 6-year-olds to play along with it. So put the top down in your Saab and enjoy this beautiful evening, my friend

 

The "evening activities" is a ONCE a month date night from 5:30 to 8:00PM...am I mistaken?

My understanding from speaking to Mrs. Baker (trying to find day care for little pea) is the majority of care is in the AM to early PM hours.

Granted I don't live on Fern Brook, however I can empathize with both the neighbors such as Mrs. Smith (etc) and the Baker's. It's not a good situation for all parties affected and this forum has escalated the already heated discussion.

My $.02 on this community wide issue:

I work from home, friends who visit daily, bi-monthly playgroup, monthly poker parties and a monthly girls/mom's night. However the majority of these folks are nieghbors or live a few streets away and tend to park in our driveway.

My concern is the HOA would create new guidelines that would impact both our social life and my business - it would be ashame to have Broadlands turn into the next Lansdowngate.

 

Thank you, thepea2001. That is exactly my concern. Even if they don't want to restrict people's social lives or working-from-home arrangements, some of the proposals could do just that. That is one of the reasons why I keep asking Mrs Smith and company to please just post what restrictions they want, so people can see it and make their own judgments.

This is a very good point. If they would just show us all the language that they want the HOA to enforce, we could at least determine once and for all if telecommuting would be affected.

I always suspected that the accounts Silence Dogood99 and Celebrate Calm the same user. The language and tone were always identical, but I always gave the Celebrate Calm account the benefit of the doubt. Thanks for proving that the two accounts are indeed just one user and that you have been scamming everyone. I am so glad that I happened to read the forum without logging in because I would have missed this since Silence Dogood99 is on my ignore list.

Would you care to explain why you have multiple accounts? Do you just like listending to yourself talk, or is it because so many people here have you on ignore that you need to try to fool people with multiple accounts?

Personally, I think users here should have one account. Mr. Linux and flynnibus, do you think that we should have a rule about that? Maybe this is something that the Tech Committee could consider?

 

Gryphon, thou dost err in your assumptions once again. Because we have several adult family members here who post online and sometimes interchangably (with whichever account is logged on, on various computers), we specifically asked the Admins for two separate accounts...so, again, no need for a tattletale

One is generally "mine" for Celebrate Calm business matters and such, while my brother (and sometimes son) usually posts as Silence (or sometimes my wife or me when it's logged in that way).

To the matter at hand. NO ONE has proposed any language as of yet. We are trying our best to solve this in the neighborhood precisely so the HOA does not have to get involved. We hope you will join us in this effort

 

As someone who works from home, I understand the sensitivity to this issue. But I think people are WAY overreacting to this. Nothing I have seen from the HOA suggests that they want to wade into this issue, and nothing I have seen so far suggests that they would ever propose such draconian steps that would affect people telecommuting, social activities, etc.

Still hoping the neighbors can come to an amicable solution. It can be done.

 

flynnibus,

I think people are going to keep asking questions about how this would impact them (having friends over, hosting a Tupperware party, telecommuting, etc.) until the people who want some sort of new restrictions actually takes a few minutes to post the language of the restriction.

If people could just see the language, that would help significantly, as it would move the conversation from a theoretical level to a concrete one.

Is the person who responded back under the Silence Dogood99 account the same person who posted originally under Celebrate Calm? I ask because you assert that you, your brother, and your son use your various accounts. How are people here supposed to know who is who? While some people might not like what I say, everyone always knows that a gryphon remark is a gryphon remark. With your multiple accounts and the fact that someone can ask one account a question and have a totally separate account respond, I guess you can really hide your views.

 

ummm- who cares if someone has 2 ids- even though you are wrong in this case?

i never made the connection but always love what celebrate calm adds to to this playground- rational, kind, helpful posts, as opposed to confrontational, judgemental rudeness that comes from... others. nice balance imho.

and silence- while i don't always agree with- i respect his posting style.

 

Why do you keep bringing up telecommuting? At all? Seriously, do you think the HOA is going to knock on your door and tell you to get into work?