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Broadlands Hospital

Discussion in 'Broadlands Community Issues' started by joy, Jun 18, 2002.

  1. GCyr

    GCyr New Member

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    Marty,

    You could be right about there being nothing positive to say about HCA. I'm only saying that all information should be available so people can read the source information for themselves, pro or con.

    Since Donna had the web site set up, seems to manage it, and has mentioned it as "her web site" several times, I presumed it was her web site -- I didn't mean she was the only one who could post on it. However, the web page logo says it all about the site's purpose, and it's her right to use whatever logo she wants, but I don't expect to find pro-HCA information there. I'm not saying there isn't any pro-HCA information there, I just don't expect to find it there based on the logo.

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  2. Marty

    Marty New Member

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    Perhaps someone who is "leaning" in favor of the hospital should start a web site. I know HCA has one (and how interesting that their address is almost identical to the first web site created),but I haven't noticed much on it other than an artist's rendering, complete with American flag. I personally have not read even one good reason for building a hospital in Broadlands--are there any????
     
  3. coopstar

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    I guess you haven't read "Competition is Bad for your Health" posted by GCyr on 8/5/02.

    Also, the issue isn't whether Loudoun needs another hosital, it's about not ruining a quiet neighborhood with a facility that doesn't belong there.
     
  4. Mikeb

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    I believe that we were deceived by the association and developers, as the site plans still say OFFICE BUILDINGS not Mental Hospital. When you have a hospital, shouldn't that hospital serve the community it's in? No Pedidatics, Labor facilities, orthopedic....etc, basically services that benefit the community it sits in, not importing mental patients to our community, as I don't think we have that many mental people in Ashburn.

    We have been duped!!!!!!

    Mikeb
     
  5. SK8R

    SK8R On the Clover Meadow

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    Yes, I think Loudoun County could use another hospital, but not in Broadlands and certaily not in anyone's neighborhood.

    Western Loudoun county will be in dire need of a hospital in one year! They are growing rapidly. My friends out there are upset that they do not have a hospital, and here we have some hospital wanting to build their place right here a few miles from Loudoun Hospital. That is just crazy.

    If this hospital is built here, it will absolutely ruin the neighborhood.
    Do you like Broadlands the way it is now? Well, a hospital will change
    this neighborhood, and it won't be a quiet, nature friendly neighborhood. It will be crazy with traffic just like Reston.

    If this hospital is built (God forbid) we will not be able to take it down if we don't like it. It will be here and we will not be able to ask them to take their stuff and leave either.

    It will be 7 stories (atleast) and it will be big and brick and it will be open 24-7!
     
  6. latka

    latka Active Member

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    The main entrance to this hospital is coming sraight off Glebeview dr.That is insane.Glebeview is a 2 lane RESIDENTIAL road where children play . I'm not sure some of you are aware of the size of this hospital.The letter states expansion to 260 beds.That is a HUGE hospital.Think about the noise and danger from low flying helicopters.Think about Ambulances speeding down the streets our children ride their bikes on.Property values aside....I think there are saftey issues.Whatever happened to Broadlands back to nature?

    lyo
     
  7. Mr. Linux

    Mr. Linux Senior Member & Moderator Forum Staff

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    Latka, it's my understanding that ambulances will only enter the hospital via an emergency entrance from the Greenway. I might be wrong on this, but I heard it a few times from different sources.

    As for helicopters, they rarely fly in a perfectly straight line from point A to point B. Most of the time, they fly via 'landmarks', such as major roads, etc. I would assume then that any helicopters would probably be over the Greenway and away from our houses.

    The last numbers I heard were that we shouldn't expect more than 2-4 helicopters a month, if even that many. As for the 'danger' of low flying choppers, when was the last time you heard of a chopper crashing while on an emergency flight to a hospital? I'm not talking about News choppers; I'm talking about Medical choppers flown by seasoned pilots. As for the danger of turbulence, like I mentioned before, they usually stick to open areas and then land straight down. Take a look at Fairfax hospital when a chopper is coming in and you'll see what I mean. Most of the turbulence is VERY isolated...

    The helicopters are the least of my worries. I would be interested however in seeing a 'traffic impact study' and estimates as to how the hospital can be expected to change traffic patterns in our area. I'm especially concerned about Claiborne Parkway and Hillside Elementary.

    The traffic impact is really the only thing that worries me. I personally think everything else is fine with me...

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  8. ctgc

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    I've not heard anything about an ambulance entrance from the Greenway and I attended the HCA presentation that went over this proposal in detail. I'm pretty sure that that is incorrect. The only thing that was offerred was that HCA would consider building an ambulance only entrance from Belmont Ridge. Unfortunately, VDOT regulations will not allow that access. HCA has stated that with *active homeowner support* that they would work towards getting *special permission* to build the access from Belmont Ridge. Well, it's going to entail more work and expense for them to do that, I view that suggestion as rather patronizing. I'm against this hospital and I don't want to offer any help towards any aspect of it.

    I have written several posts to this and the hospital.org site where I have expressed my great concern over the intrusion this hospital will bring to our neighborhood. I do not believe that the impact will be limited to Broadlands Blvd. I believe that Chickacoan, Vestals Gap, and Glebe View are obvious cut through roads to the hospital site. I don't think the people living in proximity to these roads are focused on that.

    I'd like to hear what the position of our HOA is on this? I heard earlier that the HOA would support whatever the majority of the homeowners wanted. But, I don't know how that's being ascertained or if anything's really being done. Furthermore, I think this is a REALLY BIG deal to those of us in the western end of Broadlands and I would hope that the horror of the minority might outweigh apathy or casual support on the other side of our neighborhood.
     
  9. SK8R

    SK8R On the Clover Meadow

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    It is quite funny how the people that are FOR the hospital have "personal" feelings about this hospital, "personal" concerns....

    What about the others? This is not a personal feeling issue. This is a community issue. This is a BROADLANDS issue.

    We do not need a hospital in Broadlands.
    Western Loudoun needed a hospital LAST YEAR.

    We have a tremendous amount of health care services, offices, and emergency facilities right here in Ashburn with in a 5-6 mile range. Do you know we have several office building EMPTY in Ashburn and Loudoun?

    Western Loudoun has nothing.

    I have several friends that live in Purcellville and Round Hill and
    Waterford. Guess what? They have no hospital close by and very few doctors offices.
    We do not need this hospital here.

    This is a BUSINESS DEAL between HCA and Terrabrook.

    If you are for this hospital you are a sucker. They do not care about us OR our health. They want to build a hospital here because the land is ready and cheap!

    Wake up!
     
  10. hornerjo

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    "I'd like to hear what the position of our HOA is on this? I heard earlier that the HOA would support whatever the majority of the homeowners wanted."

    I can tell you that it doesn't really matter if the HOA is for or against it. Even if all our Broadlands HOA members are against the hospital - they are 'officially' for it because Terrabrook controls majority vote on the board. Since they are all for it, the HOA is for it. Sounds odd, but thats the way it works.

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  11. ctgc

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    Oh great! I thought the homeowner's association was supposed to represent the best interests of the homeowners. Guess I was naive.

    So, I guess there's no point in hoping that the HOA will help. It's just the residents against HCA with all their money and lawyers.
     
  12. coopstar

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    "As for helicopters, they rarely fly in a perfectly straight line from point A to point B. Most of the time, they fly via 'landmarks', such as major roads, etc. I would assume then that any helicopters would probably be over the Greenway and away from our houses."

    Well, I can hear the cars on the Greenway from my home, so I'm sure I'll be able to hear the helicopters too. Goodbye sleep.

    If the hospital gets approved by the Health Systems Agency, members of the Broadlands community who are against the hospital need to sign up to speak in the time allotted for the public before each supervisor's meeting. The public is given 30 minutes and I believe can speak on any subject.
     
  13. GCyr

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    ctqc,

    The HO Association is suppose to represent the best interests of the homeowners, or at least the interests of the majority of the homeowners. However, if you read Article 1, Section 3.3, in HOA Declaration, you'll see that the developer holds a Class D majority HOA Board membership until certain real estate requirements are met.

    So, even if every homeowner in Broadlands was against the new hospital and our representatives on the HOA Board voted against the new hospital, the developer's representatives who hold a majority on the HOA Board are not about to vote against the new hospital. So, the end result is, the HOA Board majority will be "for" the new hospital -- the majority rules... You can't blame our Board members for the end results if they don't have control of the Board.
     
  14. SK8R

    SK8R On the Clover Meadow

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    So, what are you saying? We are wasting our time?
    We are getting a seven-story, brick, 24-7, no matter what?
     
  15. GCyr

    GCyr New Member

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    No, I didn't say anyone was wasting their time fighting this issue or to give up fighting this issue if it's important to you. Just don't expect the HOA Board to fight this issue when the developer holds the majority.
     
  16. SK8R

    SK8R On the Clover Meadow

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    WORLDCOM is 5 stories above ground. AOL is 5 stories above ground.
    Have you stood by those buildings? They are TALL and huge.

    "BROADLANDS HOSPITAL" will be SEVEN stories and BRICK above ground.
    Do we really want this sort of thing inside Broadlands?

    It just seems to me that a massive ugly building like this
    does not belong inside our neighborhood,
    well, no one's neighborhood really.
     
  17. Mr. Linux

    Mr. Linux Senior Member & Moderator Forum Staff

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    Sk8r, if you don't mind me asking, where are you getting the info regarding the hospital being 7 floors above ground?

    Also, I'm not sure what Worldcom or AOL building you're looking at, but they are not 5 floor buildings... Worldcom is 3 floors & 4 floors above ground, depending on where you are. AOL is much more than 5 floors, depending on which building you're looking at... It's not really fair to compare the hospital with those buildings; they're MASSIVE corporate buildings and their imposing size do not come close to what the hospital will be like...

    Also, keep in mind that the building will be located in the center of a large area of land, surrounded by trees and vegetation, making it more or less hidden from view from the surrounding roads. At least that's what I can tell from the site plan located on www.broadlandshospital.com

    Still, like I indicated above, where are you getting your information regarding the height of the building?




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  18. SK8R

    SK8R On the Clover Meadow

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    Well... go to the HCA website and have a look at the picture.
    It looks like 7 floors to me.
    The hospital also "looks like a commercial building" and
    it is quite ugly.

    Actually there are some very nice looking commercial buildings
    in Ashburn/Sterling, not in anyone's neighborhood, I might add.

    I do not think there are any 5, 6 or 7 story buildings in any part of Ashburn Village or Ashburn Farm.

    I do not think it is a good idea to have such a huge ugly building inside anyone's neighborhood. There are other places that HCA could build this hospital. I do not know any good reason that they should build here right in our neighborhood.
     
  19. coopstar

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    According to the COPN, the hospital will have a lower level with an entryway plaza level and five stories above the plaza level. So it has seven floors and is six stories high (an eyesore). Also, you may get a tree buffer in the beginning, but if you read the COPN, they've chosen the site because it allows for facility growth. So, there goes your tree buffer.
     
  20. Dwarflord

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    sk8r,
    i agree 100% w/what you said about.....no good reason to build this in broadlands. i even challenged anyone to come up w/a single reason. this was about 3 pages of posts ago. to date i have seen no reason why this should be built here where we live. sorry about all the lowercase, my 9 week old is in my other arm cooing away as she sleeps....;)
    we gotta keep fighting until we win......THIS IS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND THESE ARE OUR HOMES!!!!

    DwArFlOrD
     

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