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Home Theaters

Discussion in 'Homeowners Corner' started by afgm, Aug 18, 2005.

  1. neilz

    neilz New Member

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    Do they make a 1080P projector ?? Are you missing anything by not having 1080P .. I know my HD TV looks much better at 1080 than 720.

    Neil Z.
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  2. Lee

    Lee Permanent Vacation

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    Good comments from all I feel the same what everyone has said about the 31 projector. that said everything comes down to if you like what you see and hear personally. I am not pushing the 4805 and I could certainly afford more but I am happy with it for the moment will upgrade to a true HI def projector in the near year though.

    Don't know anything about your speakers so no comment.

    I have had denon receivers and have always liked them, although you might considered the 2805 or 3805 for a little more money you might be a little underpowered try to match speakers to receiver, and because I don't know much about your speakers I really can't comment. The 10905 just seems underpowered for your setup.

    I agree good price on labor you can do better on some of your equipment prices. The double edge sword is why they may be putting more profit in equipment to make up for lower labor costs, so it could be a draw.

    Just as a side note people need to be paid fairly if you expect them to do a good job, yet they should not retire off your job either :)
    That comment does not necessarily apply here but it is something to keep in mind.

    Tip on equipment room closet. IN my own situation my equipment room is in the theater but backs up to the game room outside it. What I did was cut a large access hole in the drywall the size of all the equipment opening to the game room so I can access the back of all the equipment makes it very easy to access and hook up. Now I personally like the look of all those exposed wires to the game room and the way the back of the equipment looks. But can you believe it my wife hated all those eposed wires and stuff and made me hide it so I just hung a picture to cover the hole and everyone is happy. :D
    oh I did try to find a picture of exposed wires but could not so if anyone knows where I can get one let me know and I will replace the existing one. :D

    Yep Neil they do make hi def projectors and also upconvert projectors like the infocus 4805. The picture is absolutely stunning from these projectors when you view hi quality hi def shows.


    Lee J. Buividas
     
  3. sasha_j

    sasha_j New Member

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    1080P projectors have been available in the commerical world for some time. They have just recently come on to the market for residential models, but unless you are really committed to your home theater and have access to pristine HD source material, I see no reason to go there in the near future.

    If on the other hand your intent is to build a state-of-the-art facility, well, yes, go for it. But that will just be the tip of the iceberg for planning and budget........
     
  4. boomertsfx

    boomertsfx Booyakasha!

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    neilz, your TV might look better at 1080i than 720p, but that's likely because your TV can't do native 720/60p ... is it a few years old? CRT/DLP/LCD/Plasma? I wish they just went all progressive-scan -- it would make everything better... especially viewing on PCs, etc =)
     
  5. Lee

    Lee Permanent Vacation

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    I don't about what you all are saying????

    I can tell you when I go to 1080 I can see a huge difference. I am certainly no fanatic or can explain it technically I just know wht I see and 1080 to me can be almost 3d like and I am talking about everyday shows such as Jay Leno local CBS news don't watch much regular tv though. And my friends when they come over also can see the difference and this is with the cheap 4805 and a painted wall with a black frame around it so it looks like a screen, so I don't know what you are talking about there is not much difference. What I don't see is a huge difference from a expensive projector to a good cheaper one and I have tried.

    Lee J. Buividas
     
  6. sasha_j

    sasha_j New Member

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    Apples and Oranges. You are talking about watching a 1080i (interlaced) source scaled to the native array of your projector. It looks fine, I'm sure.

    Neil and the others were asking about a 1080P (progressive) projector, a totally different thing.

    There are no native 1080P broadcast sources currently, nor would I expect any in the near future. The only 1080P sources I'm aware of are some DVD ROMs WMV files encoded with the Microsoft Video encoder, an excellent product BTW.
     
  7. Lee

    Lee Permanent Vacation

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    OK I am learning here so what is the point of even making a 1080p projector at this time when there is virtually no material for it or the foreseeable futue???

    Lee J. Buividas
     
  8. brim

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    To cater to the rich latest-and-greatest geeks.

    edit: I thought you were a top-notch installer/designer designing Hollywood Hills systems? Seems a system designer would know the differences between 1080i and 1080p. *shrug*
     
  9. sasha_j

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    I agree that 1080P projection is not a mainstream display method or warranted for 99% of HT applications.

    Well, I'd guess the "enthusiast" folks would want one for the onboard deinterlacing capability, going from 1920x1080i to 1920 to 1080P. They would likely argue that their scaling preference would be to go up, not down, ie to 1280x720, typical.

    I would not be in that camp however, at least not at this time.
     
  10. Lee

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    OK brimy boy, put me on the growing list of yours and I won't say what for ha ha ha ha ha!!!

    Just for brimy boy I am a architectural designer and ex builder because of people like you [}:)] I would say just kidding but I just don't want to :D

    A lot of you more then likely have seen my homes in this area not in the Broadlands though. Don't design much in the Ashburn area anymore all the big boys toll brothers etc have taken over and have their own in house designers cranking out which are becoming very expensive cracker barrel homes. That was not meant to offend anyone but you all don't have many choices anymore if you want to live in northern virginia. give you all a hint the almost finished castle close to 15,000 sq ft. on rt 7 is one of my designs and one of the smaller homes I am designing these days. Love or hate it think about who is buying these 4 million dollar and way plus homes these days. Can't know everything that is why you rely on experts to cut the bull from the reality.

    Got to love you brimy. [8D]

    Here is a hint about my next career brim Pizza and a Movie and you could not even guess what that is all about. Not exactly what it says. [}:)] that should keep you busy and entertained for awhile.

    Lee J. Buividas

    BTW my friend’s home in California that I talked about is less then 2000 sq ft and it is gorgeous.

    Before I forget brim thanks for not commenting on my spelling and grammar brim my new best friend!! Ha ha ha ha

    Now back to the topic
     
  11. brim

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    What list? I just call people on their crap and they get offended...I'm not keeping a list of any sort...

    ok, I'll bite...Papa Johns needs drivers and the Regal needs people to sweep up between showings? Am I close?

    I could have mentioned the stream-of-consciousness run on sentences but I didn't.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!oneone!!!eleven!!!!!!111

    bleh...
     
  12. brim

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    For the record, I have a Samsung HL-R5667W 56" DLP and it's fantastic. I didn't want to sing the cash into a front projection system and this suits me fine.
     
  13. afgm

    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

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    Brim,

    I've got to say, only you can take a home theater dialog and take things personal and piss people off.

    All I am looking for is opinions, I can judge them based on my research and preferences. It's not necessary to attack anyone or question their "research and preferences".

    With that said, within the context of this topic, I also welcome your research, preferences, and opinions. Just don't take it so personal.
     
  14. afgm

    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

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    Just a note, not finished walls, I have a framed in basement, pre dry wall.

    Good suggestion on the pronto. I'll look into it.

     
  15. boomertsfx

    boomertsfx Booyakasha!

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    afgm, I know of a great home theater company you can try...and it would be right up your alley... have you heard of HCA?? I hear great things about their work!! ;)

    seriously tho, spend a little extra on the PJ to get true HD resolutions... and have them run a conduit to the projector so when you finish the basement (if ceiling will be drywall), you can easily pull the latest and greatest cable standard to your PJ without a hassle. sounds like you'll have a nice setup. what seating will you be using? Berklines?
     
  16. neilz

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    Bought it this past January .. full HD capable .. the better half said we have this nice oak entertainment center, and we're not having a 32 inch hole in the middle of it :(

    Neil Z.
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  17. afgm

    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

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    Boom, I am so bored with the HCA stuff. This seems like a good diversion for a while, until the next round. Nice hook thou. HCA, does that stand for high caliber audio? If so, that's probably the only website I have not visited on the subject.

    I am doing as much of the installation work as I can. I do plan on running a DVI cable from the projector location to my cabinet.

    As for the PJ. My understanding is HD is way expensive and not really true HD. Best Buy, Myer Emco, Tweeters, all want to push me to a 4K PJ, using the HD arguement. I don't see it. I've made the decision to look in the 1K to 1.3K range. That seems to make the choice H31 or the 4805 Infocus. On AVSforum.com there are thousands of posts debating these two front runners. I am not sure who is right, but my current assessment is the H31 wins out on two issues, operating sound (lower dB) and less rainbow effect. I also like the look/profile of the H31 over the InFocus. The H31 does get bad marks for "out of the box" configuration. Seems a lot of folks have to tweek the H31, whereas the 4805 is configured better when plugged in. I've found both for around $1,000. At that price, I can get started and think about upgrading to true HD later.

    As for the resolution, the specs for the H31 state: resolution (native) 854x480; with HDTV: 720p, 1080i, SDTV (480i). I have to admit I really don't understand all these stats. I am really a lot on the reviews I read on avsforum.

    What really blows me away is the price of screens. I think it's a conspiracy. Screen plus projector equals cost of plasma etc.

    This whole project has really amazed me. I had no idea so much had changed since my days of a Harmon Kardon 520 with ESS M5 speakers.

     
  18. brim

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    You really want something that does ????x720 native, otherwise it's just going to upconvert to 720p/1080i and I guarantee you won't be happy with it down the road. :(
     
  19. Lee

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    THis stuff is changing by the day and getting cheaper by the second. Spending big bucks right now I personally think is insane. The home I mentioned on rt 7 they have a 4805 and a painted wall screen and they are perfectly happy. Maybe that is why the rich get richer :D

    Depends on how much money you have to burn. IF any of you want to see my setup email at lbuividas@gmail.com
    I don't have my theater seats yet, but I found a little store in Leesburg that has leather seats as nice as Berlines for cheaper. They have some on display. If I don't decide to move back to Austin Texas this year I will decorate my theater first class. Wife wants african theme???? Whatever that is?? :) I am afraid of the potential huge decline in housing prices here over the next 5 to 7 years so I am thinking about selling high and and building much cheaper in Austin. Happened in the early nineties leveled later in the mid nineties around here. Big drops in housing prices. I Believe it will happen again.

    I also understand hi def is still not totally worked out (correct me if I am wrong)like vhs and beta.

    Lee J. Buividas
     
  20. sasha_j

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    I would totally disagree that "hi def is still not totally worked out". Cripes sakes, the ATSC standard was developed by 1986 and finalized ten years later, 1996. I've been enjoying plenty of freely broadcast, recordable, archivable, timeshiftable, state of the art hi-def at my Cascades home since 1999. "Not totally worked out"? I think not.

    Perhaps you are referring to future DVD standards? Or perhaps the lame and slow HD adoption by cable and DBS companies? Those are certainly "not totally worked out", but that doesn't mean you can't have HD. These isssues are still ongoing, but don't affect ATSC, nor your ablity to get it, should you desire.

    Sure, not all OTA shows are in HD, but so what? The digital upconversions still blow away any SD material from the cable and DBS companies. The prime time line up, most sports, movies and specials are in HD.

    Tune your antennas correctly in this area and you'll see about 48 or so freely available digital channels, many of them hi-def, the signal quality of which are full 17-19mbs bandwidth (for those that don't multi-cast), technically superior to anything available from the bandwidth-shaving cable and DBS companies.
     

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