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Mortgage Brokers

Discussion in 'Broadlands Community Issues' started by rich351854, Dec 26, 2008.

  1. Pluto

    Pluto New Member

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    interest rates are coming down.......

    anybody got a nice rate like (4.5%, no points, no origination fee) lately?
     
  2. KTdid

    KTdid Well-Known Member

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    Just saw a conventional 30yr 4.89 rate posted on Bankrate.com.
     
  3. Thunderchild

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    Not sure what the rates are now, but recently (2-3 weeks ago) 4.389% 15 yr 1 point.

    Clifford Warren
    Loan Officer
    1749 Old Meadow Road
    Suite 410
    McLean VA 22102
    (P) 800-488-9008 x 18046
    (D) 703-962-8046
    (F) 703-448-5706
    www.america-funding.com
     
  4. Mike-and-Kim

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    We bought in July at 6.3pct, refinanced last month 5pct no points. Used Sam Atapour at Prosperity mortgage. He is always available by cell phone. Keep in mind you will save money using the same mortgage company.

    -Mike
     
  5. Chsalas

    Chsalas Active Member

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    Unless you have a seriously Jumbo loan or bad credit, no one should ever pay a bank or lender points, that absurd to pay them to loan you money. Never Pay POINTS!
     
  6. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    Points are simply pre-paid interest. There are reasons and situations you do want to pay points. It's not as universal as you infer.
     
  7. Chsalas

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    Then waste your money, I have never paid points, it's just a tactic for lenders to make even more money off your loan. If you look at the stats for the amount on money paid on points and the return on that it's a very low ROI. All the lender is trying to do it make their interest up in front (as you said) in case you sell the house or move. That's it. Believe me, if you shop around, you will get a loan without points. Your basically paying someone to do their job and lend you money. I wish someone would give me money on top of my salary to do my job.
     
  8. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    It all depends on your loan and situation. The break-even point is typically 4 years or so. As long as you keep your loan longer then that.. you aren't paying anyone to 'do their job'. You are buying down the rate so that in the long run you are saving money. With a lower interest rate, you are paying less cost over the life of the loan. It's long term vs. short term money shifting.. not 'just a tactic'.

    There are also tax reasons to pay points in many cases where you need to reduce profits to avoid profit taxes and at the same time, deduct against your AGI.

    Sure.. and also if you don't pay attention you'll get a lender that will screw you with other fees too further down on your HUD1. It's not just about points, it's about total cost of the loan and the terms. If you want to fixate on some number.. you should be looking at the APR, not points, as the APR includes all the lender's costs. And Points you can take as a deduction.. settlement fees and lenders fees you can NOT.

    It's called sales. But in that job you actually need to be convincing.
     
  9. hberg

    hberg give me some of your tots

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    We second Will Roberts. He got us a great rate 4.75% we had to pay a point but the rate was great. The only problem right now is that mortgage companies are being very, very picky even those borrowers with great credit. To get a good rate, most are charging fees as well. The appraisels can also be different than what other lenders are using as was the case with our house. Some lenders will only use "approved" appraisers who are really aiming low on the value of your house so do not be suprised. We worked with Will for two months - ours was not an easy loan, I guess we are also not easy customers, but Will went above and beyond to help us make this loan happen. Very pleased with his service.
     
  10. hberg

    hberg give me some of your tots

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    Agreed. Paying a one or half a point can actually be beneficial in the long run, it depends what you are getting out of the total loan. I don't believe we would have gotten our low rate 4.75% without pay part of a point. Lenders are being A LOT tougher - and even borrowers with perfect credit are having a very hard time refinancing. This is not a lenders market. So lenders are being very very cautious. 4 years ago when we refinanced, the market was great! Lenders would come to your house to help you close, they would comp the FedEX and were offering no points, high loan to value rates, etc.. You are not going to find that in this market and if you did - I would read all the fine print.
     
  11. razng2grtboys

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    Today, I was offered a rate of 4.875% (no pts) or 4.50% (1 pt) on a conventional 30yr. My appraisal is almost 3 months old so I need to move quickly to avoid having to do another one. What should I do?

    FYI-I'm refinancing out of a 30yr fixed rate of 5.75%
     
  12. Pluto

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    Yesterday I was offered the same interest rate 4.875% with no points for a conventional 30 yr loan from Wells Fargo.

    I am waiting for the rate to go down little, less than or equal to 4.5%.

    Should I have my home appraised and ready while shopping for refinance?

    Thx
     
  13. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    3/8ths of a % for 1 point is a pretty good rate discount.

    For a 417k loan.. The difference in mortgage is $93.92 meaning you'd break even for paying the $4170 up front in 3yrs, 9 months.

    The key is of course.. paying over $4k extra in closing costs up front and how long you plan on staying in this mortgage. Another factor is your pain threshold month to month. If that $93 is the difference between stretching and relaxing month to month.. that's another factor worth considering.

    IMHO.. I doubt you'll see rates at 4% or lower anytime soon.. so chances of refinancing again are low. The question then becomes is how long do you think you'll be in this house? Which is more of burden.. paying now or paying later? Cash on hand can be a big factor for some... refinancing isn't cheap and points will always be the most expensive part of that if you opt to use them.

    The savings on paying points come when you are in a loan for the long run or trying to get greater tax deductions this year vs later years.

    When we refi'd.. I took the approach of the chances that we will refinance again are low due to where the rates are now.. and we are staying here for a long time. So I took the option of paying a fraction of a point to get my monthly payments a bit lower to where I wanted them to be.

    I can't stress though.. be sure to look at the rest of the GFE to make sure they aren't steamrolling you in bank fees! Given the situation these days.. I'd bet you'll have to pay for a new appraisal anyways.. anything older then 'now' seems to be ignored. Of course, it's more money making then needed.. but you can't control it :(
     
  14. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    Ask your loan officer - but from what I saw - no. The bank can turn around and demand a new one without any real recourse from you (except to leave..) so why risk the $300? It's unlikely to help you close quicker. The only issue is if you are concerned about the valuation compared to your loan amount and not being approved period.

    Note, they have gotten WAY more strict on the appraisals too.
     
  15. Pluto

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    Thanks for all the answers.

    My remaining loan amount is 20K more than the current house value taken from Zillow..... I am even ready to put down payment of 20% to get a better rate....

    Hope I will be able to refinance soon.
     
  16. tigercpa

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    As all have noted, getting a mortgage is a tough proposition these days. Even with the strongest financials.

    A friend at the office has an 800+ FICO, no debt, and was willing to put 35% down on a property, but BoA turned him down strictly based on the zip code of the subject property.

    They didn't even verify income or check credit.
     
  17. Thunderchild

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    Have your friend contact Clifford Warren and explain what happened to him and see if he can help.
    Clifford Warren
    Loan Officer

    1749 Old Meadow Road
    Suite 410
    McLean VA 22102
    (P) 800-488-9008 x 18046
    (D) 703-962-8046
    (F) 703-448-5706
    www.america-funding.com
     
  18. Gabriellehoo

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    My husband has been in the mortgage industry for some 20 years now, and we've always used the same guy for our mortgage needs. He's helpful, honest, and generally has aggressive rates. He's with the post-trouble Countrywide. In the midst of this mortgage crisis, it's important to go with an established national lender. These days, many of the local guys may not be there to close the loan. When you contact him, let him know you heard about him on the Broadlands forums. Here's his info:

    Kelvin Clarke
    Kelvin_Clarke@Countrywide.Com
    240-631-6101
     
  19. razng2grtboys

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    I locked at 4.50% (.875 pts) a few days ago. I don't have to get a new appraisal and might be able to close on the refi next week. Thanks for your feedback!

     
  20. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    Good luck! I refi'd 4.875% back in Jan. Would have loved to got 4.5, but wasn't in the cards at the time.. and now it wouldn't be cost effective to refi again for such a small difference.

    I really don't see (crystal ball.. yes..) rates hitting near 4%. I think this 4.5 area is the bottom (all IMHO).
     

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