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School Budget Discussion

Discussion in 'Broadlands Community Issues' started by shim, Jan 8, 2009.

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  1. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    Re: School Boundaries

    We had about as many sports programs back in my "Kotter days" of high school (no Lacrosse, but we had soccer).
    They were virtually ALL taught by existing teachers.
    No additional staff necessary. And with a school 50% larger than most of Loudoun's, I think we can handle it without theme here.
     
    vacliff, Jan 13, 2009
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  2. T8erman

    T8erman Well-Known Member

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    Okay, I know I haven't been to school in a looong time but do they REALLY have "freshman-only" teams now?

    If they do, then yeah, maybe there are 50 teams. My ignorance AFGM!

    And if they do, then these should be the first things cut! And don't get me wrong, I love sports and think they are necessary but to spend money to carry a freshman-only team is a waste. If you aren't good enough for varisty or JV then after-school sports programs should be the way to go.

    And yes, I am old-school.... but CHEERLEADING?!?!?! Since when have cheerleaders needed anything other than a choreographer/coach?
     
    T8erman, Jan 13, 2009
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  3. latka

    latka Active Member

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    T8...They had Freshman only Basketball and Football when you were in school. That is nothing new.
     
    latka, Jan 13, 2009
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  4. mamatothree

    mamatothree New Member

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    Cheerleading is a competitive sport T8...SBHS has won the state championship the last few years. Tell those girls they are not athletes
     
    mamatothree, Jan 13, 2009
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  5. Liz Miller

    Liz Miller New Member

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    I don't have a medical degree, but I can read.
     
    Liz Miller, Jan 13, 2009
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  6. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    Some fluffing here.. splitting cheerleading into fall/winter? Plus, not every division here needs their own coachs. Would we need separate coaches for boys vs girls tennis? Or separate staffs or overhead for JV vs V sports? No. Plus, all these sports aren't concurrent. This doesn't help justify any county AD roles in my book at all. This list is no different then when I went to school sans swimming, lacrosse and gymnastics.. which were in other schools in our conference, just not ours. We also ran winter track (indoor track). I don't see how 3 additional sports all of a sudden justifies an entire administrative empire.

    A more realistic way to view the list is

    Fall
    CrossCountry - B and G
    Football - B
    Volleyball - G
    Golf - B

    Winter
    Basketball - B and G
    Wrestling - B
    Cheerleading - G
    Gymnastics - B and G
    Swimming - B and G

    Spring
    Baseball - B
    Softball - G
    Lacrosse - B and G
    Tennis - B and G
    Soccer - B and G
    Track and Field - B and G

    I'd count that as 23 teams.

    Which means you are realistically looking at running 5-6 sports at a time per school. Do we need two full time employees per school plus who knows how many at the county level to do this in addition to the existing coaching staffs?

    For cuts.. let's see.. I'd kill the AD and staff at every school and replace with overlays responsible for several schools, add roles as needed based on capacity.

    I'd kill every 'Frosh' team. That is absolutely ridiculous. That's why we have JV.

    I'd make intensive/costly sports pay participation fees to defer the cost, especially any that would require renting outside facilities to practice.

    I'd probably drop sports like swimming, golf and gymnastics or charge participation fees.

    And I'd note.. while 23 teams, that isn't 23 x n coaches either. Coaching staffs are normally dictated by the team size... not 'boy vs girl' or 'jv vs v' etc.

    Just browsing around.. I see Loudoun High has SIX teachers for PE and driver's ed. My school? We had 2.
     
    flynnibus, Jan 13, 2009
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  7. redon1

    redon1 aka Aphioni

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    it's a cop out to blame your genes. you can be pre-disposed to obesity, but your lifestyle will determine whether or not you actually ARE.
     
    redon1, Jan 13, 2009
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  8. frm

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    I'd probably drop sports like swimming, golf and gymnastics or charge participation fees.



    I wonder if you'd feel the same way if you had a son/daughter who would lose a college scholarship opportunity by not being able to participate in the sport in high school
     
    frm, Jan 13, 2009
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  9. T8erman

    T8erman Well-Known Member

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    There was no freshman football for sure at my school. As for basketball, I do not recollect (advanced age you know) a freshman team either.
     
    T8erman, Jan 13, 2009
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  10. T8erman

    T8erman Well-Known Member

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    In my day, golf did not cost anything at all other than the coaches fee. Courses allowed us to practice and play matches/tournaments gratis. I think it is still that way. As for transportation, we had to make our own way to the course and parents volunteered to drive to away matches.

    Short of "freshman" teams, I would not drop any sport as they are beneficial in several ways.
     
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  11. latka

    latka Active Member

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    What school did you go to?
     
    latka, Jan 13, 2009
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  12. marielaveau

    marielaveau Voodoo Queen

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    We had Freshmen sports in my NOVA HS (Gar-Field) in the early 80's. There is a big difference physically between a 13/14 year old and a 17/18 year old. That's why they have Freshmen teams.

    We had a huge athletic department and we had an AD who was the Varsity Football head coach. That was his full-time job. He did not teach. He was involved in everything and the school was very successful athletically. Quite a few students earned athletic scholorships and even a few olympians, including a gold medal winner.
     
    marielaveau, Jan 13, 2009
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  13. afgm

    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

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    Steve, this list is correct and does not have any fluff. There are six distinct cheerleading teams. Three in fall and three in winter. Different coaches, and different try outs.

    Now the rest of your assumptions, which I'll consider ideas for budget cuts are the types of things that need to be debated.

     
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  14. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    If your child was really fighting for a scholarship in those sports - they'd be competing on club teams in those sports. That is where the real competition is in those sports.

    You can note my wife, daughter, and sister-in-law are all swimmers.. two of which went on college scholarships, and one who was an Olympian.

    Two of my daughters are also gymnasts. No I don't count one iota on their high school team for 'college opportunities'.
     
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  15. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    No - that's why they have JV.

    The same can be said of my school - without any AD or full time coaches. So they aren't requirements. Coaching is what nurtures athletes and the ability to compete - not administrators.
     
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  16. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    So a team lasts for 1 month.. including tryouts and practices and then meets? Sounds like an ideal situation... let's continue!!! :rolleyes3:
     
    flynnibus, Jan 13, 2009
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  17. T8erman

    T8erman Well-Known Member

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    Broad Run my freshman year and Park View the remainder.
     
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  18. sharse

    sharse TeamDonzi rocks!!

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    I was one (not in Loudoun) and while I considered myself an athlete, maybe because I did other things too, I didn't consider us another 'team' and as T8 said, we had an advisor who in my case WAS our choreographer. But I also bought my own shoes, my own uniform, etc.

    And the first one who laughs at me for being a former cheerleader will get a smack upside the head.
     
    sharse, Jan 13, 2009
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  19. T8erman

    T8erman Well-Known Member

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    Athletic certainly but not athletes.
     
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  20. sharse

    sharse TeamDonzi rocks!!

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    Are you KIDDING? I really hope you are. There are so many things wrong with this I'm chomping at the bit. Please take this to the obesity thread so I can help you understand why this is garbage... if in fact you truly believe it face value.

    Wow.
     
    sharse, Jan 13, 2009
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