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Broadlands Hospital

Discussion in 'Broadlands Community Issues' started by joy, Jun 18, 2002.

  1. afgm

    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

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    BRMC is not 4 Me,

    Do you live in Broadlands? Do you live in Loudoun County?
     
  2. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    Your model keeps your mailing list a sham. If that's what you intend it to be - stick with your plan.
     
  3. lilpea

    lilpea Member

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    Too add to the veracity of your suggestions - which are AWESOME.

    StopBRMC - lets propose the following:
    CCB - goes forward with executing and scrubbing their "list of Anti-HCA supporters", they in-turn sell/provide sensitive contact information to various clearing houses and/or marketing firms.


    Here is what I see happening:
    1. Now email inboxes get slammed with even more spam
    2. Duplication, triple etc of supporters, thus skewing #'s to be higher than they actually are
    3. False Names/Emails provided to the BoS in support of CCB views and any agents hired on their behald (Rhonda Paice etc)
    4. Identity theft
    5. Violation of privacy
    6. Counter potential Class Action Suit against CBB/INova/Donna Fortier from people who have not given authorization to the above named (including, but not limited too) - stating FRAUD
    Personally I have kept the 6+ emails both my hubby and I sent to Donna requesting our removal (some date back to 2006) - yet in each of our 3 separate email boxes we got Donna's email over the weekend. Adding validity to my 2nd point (see above)

    I urge you to reconsider any of the above mentioned, the input from Mr.Linux and others.

    If CCB plans to proceed forward with the plan you outlined - go back to Inova and BEG for more $$$ - the 20K have already given CCB wont cover the legal fees, not by a long shot.
     
  4. T8erman

    T8erman Well-Known Member

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    But the most cited mantra from your group and/or its supporters is "YES, another hospital, just not in Broadlands or so close to Inova Loudoun".

    But by posting demeaning articles regarding HCA aren't you really stating that you don't want HCA or maybe any other "competitor"?

    And Rebecca, are you a Broadlands resident? Are you an Inova employee or associated with Inova?
     
  5. Thunderchild

    Thunderchild New Member

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    T8erman, Why does where she live or work matter? I didn't think you had to be a resident to join. Is that not the truth?
     
  6. afgm

    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

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    I think it does matter. Wouldn't it be nice to know that someone from Broadlands is leading a group named, Concerned Citizens of Broadlands. Now that Donna has resigned her leadership post, it appears what is left is two hired outside guns, with a bogus membership role.

    The question actually provides the group an opportunity to clear up this perception. Or validate it for that matter.

    Otherwise they should rename the group. Maybe something like Concerned Inova Employees against BRMC.



     
  7. redon1

    redon1 aka Aphioni

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    can't speak for T8, but I know if someone is actively campaigning against something in MY neighborhood, i'd like to know if they are a corporate talking head who lives in Boise Idaho and knows NOTHING about my communities needs, and only whose interest is Inova's bottom line or an anti BRMC campaign. Or- if it's someone who lives here, has a true interest in what they think is best for the place THEY are raising their family.

    intentions... it's good to know the intentions behind ANYONE's interest in something that effects where you live.

    but that's just me- T8 could just be a nosy busybody with nothing better to do... ;)
     
  8. T8erman

    T8erman Well-Known Member

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    Because they are the "Concerned Citizens of BROADLANDS" and personally, as such, I think that most, if not all members should be Broadlands residents.

    If they they were "CC of Loudoun" or any other naming convention then it would certainly not matter.
     
  9. Mr. Linux

    Mr. Linux Senior Member & Moderator Forum Staff

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    Well, for one, wouldn't you find it curious that the leader of a group against the BRMC didn't even live in the community affected?

    I think T8erman's question is a valid one and I would be interested in hearing the answer...
     
  10. Thunderchild

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    Ok, I understand what you are saying, but I believe if they were to change the name to CC of Loudoun you would find the list larger. I know a bunch of folks who live in Round Hill and farther west who would oppose the Hospital being built in the Broadlands. They would like to have one built closer to them to serve the Western portion of the County.

    If we wanted to eliminate people from outside the Broadlands from voicing an opinion it would defeat the purpose of this entire debate. I believe the Hospital will be built whether or not the people in the Broadlands want it. It will just be a matter of what it does to impact the lives of the ones closest to the Hospital. I am far enough away that I souldn't hear/feel the impact. The traffic debate is another issue that will effect the entire Broadlands community, that only time will tell. The helipad if ever built will also effect all of the Broadlands and the surronding areas as well and time will tell on that too!

    BUT, all of this debate pro vs con will be mute if one child in the Broadlands is saved by the Hospital being in this location. BUT, on the flip side if one child is hurt because the Hospital is here, it will just make this debate more of an "I told you so" which I pray never happens. So with all of that said, I hope you have a great day!

    Enjoy!
     
  11. T8erman

    T8erman Well-Known Member

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    I personally think that the debate is valid even though I am for BRMC as it will get another hospital built soonest in this County.

    But I also think that the use of "Broadlands" in their title is deliberate. It gives the appearance that the community most directly impacted is against the hospital (as I am SURE ;) ;) their numbers would certainly prove).
     
  12. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    The point isn't how many people are in the group (legitatimately) - its about misrepresentation - of virtually everything about the group. From their leadership, to their BS list of supporters, to their practices, to their backing.

    The whole thing is a sham and their mantra is ignore facts and keep beating the drum.
     
  13. lilpea

    lilpea Member

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    Well T8er - Rebecca does have a neat little profile on facebook (someone just sent me an email with it)...doesnt say if Rebecca lives in broadlands area or Loudoun.
     
  14. Silence Dogood99

    Silence Dogood99 New Member

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    Actually, it gets even better. Just read the top post on their blog. Look at this gem (my bold):

    "Or worse, what if they shut down the current hospitals in the area monopolizing healthcare in Loudoun. HCA pushing for the Dulles Greenway site, with it's proximity to the other hospitals in Loudoun, could be a sign of these intentions."

    So here is INOVA spending millions of dollars to keep competition from entering Loudoun, and they are accusing HCA of "monopolizing healthcare in Loudoun"! Wow. Not to mention the shameless fearmongering: "what if they shut down the current hospitals."

    I think there are legitimate reasons to oppose BRMC, but someone needs to be held accountable for these kinds of shameless tactics. I doubt if Donna or anyone else will respond to our questions (still waiting to hear how the crash scene and interstate backup images are relevant to the debate).
     
  15. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    Silence-
    It's unfortunate that taking the road of fear and lies is such an often used tactic.
    They won't respond because they can't.
    Example: Inova is actually being blocked from taking over another hospital because THEY WOULD HAVE TOO MUCH MONOPOLY ON HEALTHCARE IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA.
    So, they respond by putting out a ridiculous argument that HCA wants to monopolize healthcare.
    These tactics only show that they can't come up with legitimate arguments to oppose it, so they just make stuff up.
     
  16. afgm

    afgm Ashburn Farm Resident

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    Good observation Silence Dogood,

    Additionally, don't forget that Inova was shut down when they tried to buy up Prince William County's healthcare. The Federal Trade Commission denied the acquisition because of monopoly issues.

    Quit a stretch to try and claim a company that isn't even here yet is going to monopolize anything.

     
  17. Silence Dogood99

    Silence Dogood99 New Member

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    Cliff, I think there ARE legitimate reasons to oppose the hospital. My point is that such shameless scare tactics and blatant misrepresentations actually hurt their cause and their reputation. And they help make agnostics like me actually more Pro-BRMC than I normally would have been.

    From a PR point of view, the people they have on this forum to advocate for INOVA are atrocious. Their job is to influence people and change minds, yet I see them continually taking digs at people and being rather dismissive. Not the way to win people over.

    I wish they would have put all of this energy, time and money into improving their own hospitals. That would have been good for them and the community.
     
  18. T8erman

    T8erman Well-Known Member

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    I truly dislike elections years because of the "attack campaigns" and negativity associated with them. Inova Loudoun hospital reminds me of the same thing.
    They and their supporters are more often trying to put the proposed hospital and HCA in a negative light then promoting their own merits. The fear tactics alone are enough to make me puke. If I hear one more "what if"... :hurl:

    Every time I drive by a river I keep looking for "swift boats". ;)
     
  19. lilpea

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    Silence -
    LHI/Inova has come along way over the course of 8 years (since we moved to Loudoun), but for personal reasons we will continue to leave Loudoun for specialized care of our infant.
    Some agrue that the potential of another hospital/competition in Loudoun was or is the catalysis for the improvements.

    The true benefactor of any healthcare system is the community they are serving.
     
  20. rich351854

    rich351854 New Member

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    When will this finalize?
     

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