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HOA considering restrictions on home-based businesses? (merged)

Discussion in 'Broadlands Community Issues' started by frostsh, May 6, 2008.

  1. Mr. FAN

    Mr. FAN New Member

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    For those of you who didn't attend the May HOA meeting, there was representation from over half of the residences (there are 18 houses) on Fern Brook Court. Mrs. Smith is not alone in this battle. This neighborhood is close knit and have welcomed all new neighbors with open arms. We have tried to work this out without the HOA but were not successful.
     
  2. rich351854

    rich351854 New Member

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    I think that sometimes the Concerns of a vocal few drive the wrong decisions.
     
  3. Fritz

    Fritz New Member

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    and, frequently the concerns, and vocies, of a vocal few represent the opinions of the majority.
     
  4. redon1

    redon1 aka Aphioni

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    i smell door to door interviews....
     
  5. gryphon

    gryphon Banned User

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    Can you please explain why you are insulting your neighbors? You want to have new rules passed for the entire community, and then you say that people who don't happen to live on your little street don't matter. Is this arrogance or simple disrespect?

    I would like to point out that there have been repeated requests made to the people who want to pass new rules affecting the whole community to pony up the proposed new language you want added to the community rules. Where is that language? The people who want the new rules assert that the restrictions would not affect people who telecommute / work from home, but how are we supposed to believe that when the requests were made weeks ago, and the language has still not been posted and shared? Why is there so much secrecy? Is somone hiding something.

    You have time to come to the forums and tell you neighbors that their opinions don't count because they live on the wrong street, but then you will not reply to simple requests that could help out your cause by clearing up the issue. What's up?
     
  6. Mrs Smith

    Mrs Smith New Member

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    So me saying that I want limited cars in and out of my cul de sac from an in home business is "hiding something" Secrecy" etc etc... How much clearer can I be. I am a resident, I am not on the board,I am not making any decisions, I have put my request out on the table. What simple request am I hiding from,, that is not helping out my cause and cleaning up the issue.. You lost me here....
     
  7. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    What request is that?

    I think that is what he's saying.

    I was at (most of) the last meeting and even I don't know what specifically the other residents are asking for.

    You keep saying 'it will all be decided..' - what will? Looked like a discussion on the topic to me that was tabled at the last meeting. There was no specific action proposed that I saw or specific ruling debated. Looked more like a fact finding and comment session to me.

    The only 'proposal' I heard was that a resident on the street wrote up some proposed limitations to the Bakers. A proposal that other residents in the room stated that was not representative of everyone. I also heard that the Baker's earlier had proposed some compromise to the neighbors that neighbors did not agree with. I never heard any (that I heard) specific action points or restrictions being debated as acceptable or not by the board.

    So what 'request' did you put on the table?
     
  8. redon1

    redon1 aka Aphioni

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    Mrs. Smith, please understand this is BIGGER than your one culdesac and this one issue. it has ramifications for all of us since policy will be established. no one is attacking you or making light of your frustration, but frankly, emotional, inflexible "me" responses don't help a clear picture to be seen here. and since you CHOOSE to come back and post, a clear concise POV will take you further than "you don't live here, you don't know". we can have intelligent, fair discussions in here but only when ppl close to it make posts that facilitate such.

    otherwise we have to make assumptions, which benefit no one.

    hard to stay away, isn't it? ;)
     
  9. gryphon

    gryphon Banned User

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    I'll repeat the request once again. Please post here the language of the new rules that you want. Right above, you said that you put a "request out on the table." What is the wording of that request? Why have you not posted here? You ask, "How much clearer can I be?" Well, one way might be to pony up the language.

    Also, since you only care about your street and seem to think that the only people in this community who count are those of you who live on your street, are we to assume that the request you put on the table is only for Fernwood and that no other streets in the Broadlands would be affected?
     
  10. redon1

    redon1 aka Aphioni

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    ease up a little gryph! it's human nature to internalize and personalize an issue like this. :)

    hopefully your question will be answered, but if not, don't judge- everyone isn't as comfortable here as WE are! lol
     
  11. Mazinger

    Mazinger New Member

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    Actually nobody owns the street. It's either a public street or an HOA common area street.
     
  12. gryphon

    gryphon Banned User

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    I'll be happy to ease up on this issue if I could just simply see the language in the proposal they put on the table is (her characterization, not mine). If there's nothing to hide, why is it so hard to post that information for the community to see?

    Also, I find it truly insulting that she says that people's views don't count because they don't live on her little street. If you are trying to build support for your case in the community, why insult 99.99 percent of the people in the Broadlands?
     
  13. luftinarr

    luftinarr Member

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    I'd have to agree with this. I was at that HOA meeting and no one put forward an actual request of what the neighbors wanted done. Reading all these posts and I still haven't seen verbage of what they want done. The only thing that came out of that meeting was to table the discussion of the issue until June. There won't be any resolution at that meeting either because there cannot be a quick answer. This issue will need to be addressed thoroughly and there is no way to come to an agreement where everyone will be happy. Someone will always have an issue.
     
  14. Audrey

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    Seems to me like this one poster has been clear: wanting the HOA to help them restrict their neighbor's preschool business to a third of the number legally allowed. "3-4" students has been mentioned several times.
     
  15. redon1

    redon1 aka Aphioni

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    your message is right- i just don't think everyone has the thick message board skin to articulate themselves here without feeling a bit attacked, provoked or on the defensive. i also want to true skinny, i also disagree with some of her attitude of "not your problem, stay out of it" standoffishness, but you catch more flies with honey... :)
     
  16. Mrs Smith

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    This is the table, I stated all I had to the folks in this forum. I did not draw up some type of document undercover and make a special proposal to the HOA. They heard our concerns, and therefore.. its all out on the table.
    I did NOT say to the entire posting forum your views dont count... If you are going to "quote me" then quote me correct. I said to the people who were responding "just get over it, your affecting this womans finances and life.. etc etc" I said to them,,, You dont live on this street so you dont understand..... So, gryphon go pick on someone your own size...
     
  17. Mrs Smith

    Mrs Smith New Member

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    FINALLY SOMEONE WHO READS AND UNDERSTANDS ENGLISH:bow:
     
  18. redon1

    redon1 aka Aphioni

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    how is 3-4 students even worth bothering having a biz for unless you quadruple the rates? it's not violunteer work- it's income. on the surface i would say there's no way should an hoa chop a county reg into thirds.

    then again- location location location. can the school location bear the traffic created by the county reg? or does it impede the quality of life of the neighbors? those who agree w/ mrs. smith say YES, it negatively effects our q. of life.

    has an impartial person studied the traffic pattern created by the school, as compared to a similar sized culdesac's patterns? has an impartial person assessed the other effects the school has on the 'sac when they are not within the walls of the property?

    that's the info that i feel is missing from the msg board coversation...
     
  19. gunzour

    gunzour "Living on the Edge"

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    Since I was not at the meeting (shame on me), I don't know what concerns were expressed. Generally if someone is bringing something up at an HOA meeting, they are asking the HOA to do something. This has been the crux of this issue. What are you asking the HOA to do?

    You are not asking them to enforce any existing regulation, as you have made it clear that you think the existing regulations, which allow up to 12 children in a daycare, are not enough.

    The only other action the HOA could take is to come up with new restrictions on home-based businesses. These restrictions would affect all Broadlands residents, not just your street.

    Personally, I would be strongly opposed to any such new regulation.
     
  20. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    So you expect the HOA to enforce a restriction on a resident for which they have no existing rules in place to do so?

    Not sure what you are expecting - but the HOA isn't a dictatorship - they too must follow their own rules. You can't expect an action against a resident for which there is no violation or to make up arbitrary restrictions when there is nothing in place to do so today.

    If the HOA were to tell the Baker's 'you can only have 4 kids at a time' and did not pass any covenants restricting and outlining such operations - I would expect (and rightfully so) the Baker's to simply tell the HOA to stick it where the sun don't shine.
     

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