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Broadlands Hospital

Discussion in 'Broadlands Community Issues' started by joy, Jun 18, 2002.

  1. wahoogeek

    wahoogeek New Member

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    I asked above but I'll ask again. If the board turns down the zoning change, on what grounds will HCA sue and "probably win"? If the due process for a zoning change is that the board must approve, then that's the way it is. The legal precedent of a judge overturning a county government decision when all the rules (local, state, federal, etc.) were followed and no rules (local, state, federal, etc.) broken is kinda scary.
     
  2. cmbm

    cmbm New Member

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    Because it is a land use issue. If you look at land use issues voted on in the past, similiar ones have passed with no questions or concerns.
     
  3. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    I agree. I think it is extremely unlikely HCA would win in court.
     
  4. Mr. Linux

    Mr. Linux Senior Member & Moderator Forum Staff

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    The following was just sent out by Supervisor Stevens Miller via email (emphasis in the text was from the original email):

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    Dear Neighbor,

    After many months of thought, discussion, and community dialog, I have reached the decision to support the BRMC application that, if approved, will bring a second hospital to Loudoun, and a free-standing emergency services center to Route 50 in the Dulles south area. I know this decision will bring mixed reactions, as does any important choice that affects the whole county. I wish I could please everyone, but that is obviously not possible.

    A number of people, have said that a "no" vote will force HCA to build its hospital on Route 50. This is an illegal basis for such a vote, and I am convinced that HCA will not move its project if BRMC is denied. Further, any businesses considering a move into Loudoun would see this as a threat to their ability to make their own decisions about where and how to operate. We can't afford to scare those businesses off, even if it were legal to do so. The county's comprehensive plan does state that Route 50 is to receive "special consideration" for a hospital. If HCA, or any other company, applies for permission to create a hospital on Route 50, I will give that application special consideration. But I cannot consider an application that is not in front of me.

    An important issue very recently became apparent to me: many of the residents of Dulles south are telling me that they did not know that HCA has proffered a free-standing emergency room on Route 50 to be built along with BRMC. Emergency services in that area would do a lot to compensate for the lack of a full-service hospital there, and would help keep HCA active in that region until the population growth justified a third full-service hospital on their site at Route 50 and Route 659.

    If the board does not approve BRMC on Tuesday, it is also passing up a guaranteed emergency room on Route 50 at the same time.

    HCA intends to make this Emergency Room phase 1 of what will become a much larger medical campus. It is my hope that the presence of HCA and Inova, not to mention Health South, Prince William, Faquier, and Winchester hospitals will lead to a competitive spirit that will provide faster development of facilities on Rt. 50 than would otherwise be possible.

    To my more immediate neighbors around the hospital site that are worried about the impact on their community: I believe BRMC has heard you. They removed the helipad and they have gone much further than any other applicant I have seen in their attempts to mitigate the impact. They are bordered by four-lane divided highways on every side and they have offered many commitments towards working with their neighbors in the long-term should concerns arise. I firmly believe that this hospital will be a good neighbor, and that after its opening, people will be pleased at having a large, responsive corporate citizen to assist the community. Those of you that live closest to the site were my greatest source of pause in reaching this decision and I hope you will come to feel it was for the best.

    To those who agree that it is time for another hospital and that we should not be rolling the dice with the expansion of health care services and a huge economic development opportunity during such troublesome economic times, please help me by spreading this note to anyone who might be interested and ask them to come to the board's input session on Monday night so they can ask the board not to deny health care services for the County, tax revenue, jobs, and also an emergency room for Dulles South, all of which we badly need.

    Best Wishes,
    Stevens


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  5. Ozgood

    Ozgood Not a space alien

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    Does he offer anything other than his "feelings" so support his opinion that if the hospital is not built in broadlands the emergency room won't be build on Route 50?

    Or is this more scare tactics?
     
  6. msflynn

    msflynn New Member

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    It is a proffer the HCA has offered as part of the package. So you don't get one you don't get the other. And seeing how INOVA just put in for a new COPN to expand the lansdowne campus not rt 50 campus where they have already been granted the needed special exception. I would say it is more of a fact then a feeling.

    Staci
     
  7. Donna F

    Donna F New Member

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    Thought this might provide a balance to his email...

    URGENT NEWS FROM RT50HOSPITAL NOW!


    Important Update

    At 5:30pm on Sunday, Feb 1, Supervisor Miller issued a constituent email in which he states: "If the board does not approve BRMC on Tuesday, it is also passing up a guaranteed emergency room on Route 50 at the same time."

    Based on the BRMC proffer language, there is NO guarantee of an emergency room. On page 5 of the BRMC Proffer, (A-15 of the Loudoun County Staff Report) it reads:

    In an effort to expand healthcare services for residents in the southern portion of the County, the Developer shall use commercially reasonable efforts to establish and open a freestanding emergency department or other healthcare facility on or near the Route 50 corridor (the "Route 50 Facility") no later than twelve (12) months following the date of the issuance of the first occupancy permit for the hospital building to be constructed as part of the Medical Campus pursuant to SPEX 2008-0028. In the event an occupancy permit for the Route 50 Facility has not been issued within the timeframe set forth in this Proffer, then the Applicant shall be required to pay to the County the sum of $250,000.00 to be used for regional transportation improvements along Route 659 between the Dulles Greenway and Route 50. If applicable, such payment shall be made within sixty (60) days of the date on which it becomes due under the terms of this Proffer. Once an occupancy permit for the Route 50 Facility has been issued or, alternatively, the required payment made, the Developer shall have no further obligations under this Proffer.


    The option of paying $250,000 seems to make this an unguaranteed commitment. It would be cheaper to pay the lump sum than develop an emergency room & populate it with equipment & staff. Also, there is no mention of a helipad. We don't believe Dulles South should "settle" for a possible emergency facility.



    The BRMC application should be denied based on the many problems associated with it as outlined here at our website. The denial is appropriate per the County's Comprehensive Plan. A denial is not the end of the world and will open up the very real possibility that the county will still get a new hospital (with the inherent tax revenue and new jobs) in a much more desirable, underserved, location like Dulles South via one of the following scenarios:


    1. HCA will use this form to either request an extension from the State of Virginia on their Broadlands COPN with the risk being that the State won't grant them any more extensions

    OR HCA will ask for a "Significant Change Request" (same form) to a Dulles South location on Route 50

    OR HCA will withdraw.

    2. If HCA loses their COPN, Inova will apply for a COPN for a phased full-service hospital at their site on Route 50, which up until now they could not apply for since HCA held the Broadlands COPN. It probably won't have the same number of beds that Broadlands will have, but will be sized appropriately for our area, and will grow accordingly over time.


    We continue to believe that approval of BRMC will delay a full-service hospital for Dulles South for years to come. As always we are not advocating for or against any one healthcare provider.

    The bottom line is we want to strongly encourage the Loudoun County Board of Supervisors to uphold the Countywide Health Care Facilities Plan of the Loudoun County Comprehensive Plan.

    Tomorrow is your last chance to send an email to the Board at BOS@loudoun.gov and ask them to please deny BRMC and put the next hospital in Loudoun County on Route 50!

    Thank you for your continued involvement!!!!
    Lisa Freeman & Barbara Munsey
     
  8. Mr. Linux

    Mr. Linux Senior Member & Moderator Forum Staff

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    Is this guaranteed? You're shooting down HCA's offer as not being 'guaranteed', but I don't see any language in the statement provided that Inova is 'guaranteeing' anything either. Sounds like another diversion tactic... And in my personal opinion, seeing Barbara Munsey's name at the bottom of the email doesn't give me any 'warm fuzzies'. Interested folks should search for Munsey's prior postings on these forums and form their own judgement...
     
  9. gunzour

    gunzour "Living on the Edge"

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    Of course it is not guaranteed -- the facility would have to undergo an approval process, and HCA can not possibly guarantee that they would be able to obtain the necessary approvals. (Especially in a business-hostile political environment like Loudoun county.)

    I certainly think HCA would prefer to build an emergency facility which will generate revenue as opposed to making any sort of lump sum payment to the county. It's simply a contingency that would allow them to satisfy their proffer if they are unable to obtain the necessary approvals.
     
  10. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    Settle? I don't recall anyone offering anything else for Dulles South right now.. so what are they settling 'from'?

    Possibility? After trying to discredit the language of Miller's email?? Wow... Pot meet Kettle.

    Talk about contradictory statements. First.. INOVA says we don't need another hospital... then INOVA says we don't need another hospital on Rt 50 now, but in the future... now they claim INOVA would build now, but they can't because of BMRC? Whatever.. INOVA has no real plans on expanding and spending now. Its just another 'possibility' point to try to be a disruptor.

    BMRC has gone on paper with what they'll do. INOVA has only said what they WON'T do.
     
  11. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    This is the best that Donna's "Inova only" and Barbara's "it's all about Rte 50" crowd can come up with.
    If there is any ambiguity in the language, the Board should tighten it up to eliminate any doubt that this facility will be built.
    Donna and Barbara are suddenly worrying because this information is finally reaching the ears of the Rte 50 corridor residents and they are now supporting it.

    Let's look at the options...HCA's free standing emergency service department that will be the first step towards expansion into a full service hospital or.......Inova's plans to construct an office building that may become a hospital in as yet to be determined "Phase 2."

    What both companies are saying is very consistent....the Rte 50 corridor is not yet ready for a full service hospital. So those residents should ask themselves what they want....an emergency department or an office building.
    I think Donna and Barbara are the only two excited about an office building.
     
  12. wahoogeek

    wahoogeek New Member

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    HCA will do whatever is best for the corporation and shareholders so if the investment in a new emergency facility is in their business plan then that's what they will do. The small fee of $250k will not sway them one way or the other. Its just part of the cost (proffer) of getting this package approved.

    Assuming the text pasted in Donna F's post about the wording in the proffer is true, then I find Miller's statement "If the board does not approve BRMC on Tuesday, it is also passing up a guaranteed emergency room on Route 50 at the same time." very disturbing. He's either misleading to the point of lying or misinformed, both of which is bad position for a Supervisor. Again, this is assuming that the true text of proffer states that it is not guaranteed.
     
  13. Mr Rogers

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    I actually only have a very simple, non-partisan question.

    Will this issue ever be resolved?
     
  14. Ozgood

    Ozgood Not a space alien

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    I hope it will be decided one way or the other tomorrow. Let's just make the decision and get on with life.

    No matter how the decision will go, it won't be as bad as some fear nor as good as some hope.

    But we will all survive.
     
  15. T8ergirl

    T8ergirl New Member

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    I haven't really been involved in all of this but this morning I just want to say that I personally think that if BRMC isn't approved its a big loss to the community and surrounding area. And all because people with narrow viewpoints (they live next door, they work for the competition) have been able to control the agenda. Before it even gets decided I want to thank everyone out there who devoted time and effort to being the voice for all of us who support BRMC. And for being a voice of balance for those who have no opinion on the issue.
     
  16. Ozgood

    Ozgood Not a space alien

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    Not all people who oppose the hospital have narrow viewpoints, but I am sure they appreciate the insulting over generalization.

    Is it so hard to accept that people may have different opinions about an issue?
     
  17. serendipity

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    Ozgood: THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!! You said it perfectly! :bow: Snaps for Ozgood.
     
  18. Mr. Linux

    Mr. Linux Senior Member & Moderator Forum Staff

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    I don't think T8girl was insinuating that all opposed to the hospital were narrow minded. Re-read her posting and you'll notice she didn't make that generalization.

    I think what she was trying to express was that the key/most vocal 'opposers' were the ones being narrow minded, controlling the agenda, etc. Frequent visitors to these forums and to the issue probably know exactly who she had in mind when making that statement.
     
  19. Pats_fan

    Pats_fan Former Resident

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    T8ergirl's comment was clearly directed to people with narrow viewpoints who have controlled the agenda and was not an "insulting over generalization [sic]" towards anyone opposed to the hospital.

    Careful reading/attention to detail...good.
    Jumping to wrong conclusions and attacking someone for something they didn't do or say...bad.
    :nono:

    And the worst part is you got someone to pile on and agree with your misreading of the quote. (Did you ever play the classic Lemmings video game (http://www.elizium.nu/scripts/lemmings/). I loved that game!)
     
  20. Mr. Linux

    Mr. Linux Senior Member & Moderator Forum Staff

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    Watching the live video feed of today's Board of Supervisor's meeting. While the actual vote has not yet occurred, the comments of the Supervisors point to the BRMC proposal being shot down by the Board.

    Looks like Inova gets to keep its' monopoly and we end up with an office park. Today, I'm extremely disappointed with our Board of Supervisors and their disregard for the residents of Loudoun County, and to the message they are sending to big businesses thinking of moving into our county.

    Today I truly believe Loudoun County residents have lost, and a 'monopoly' has won and wielded it's mighty sword to keep its stranglehold on the residents forced to use their services.
     

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