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Discussion in 'Broadlands Community Issues' started by vacliff, Jun 3, 2004.

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  1. Pats_fan

    Pats_fan Former Resident

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    One more thing:

    Every time I see a red Mercedes in Broadlands I'm going to wonder if the driver is chris (assuming she really lives in Broadlands). "She" claimed to have a red MB C-class, and now we find out that one of her alias' was "luvmyredslk320."
     
    Pats_fan, Jun 3, 2004
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  2. GCyr

    GCyr New Member

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    Thanks Admins for taking the time to track this abuse down and HOA for considering actions to stop this in the future.

    I fully support having users provide identifable information before being allowed to post here. Ditto for using valid ISP email addresses. If anyone doesn't agree with those terms, they are not required to provide this information. They just won't post here. Maybe we can now return these forums to an exchange of information instead of name calling and bashing anyone that doesn't agree with their viewpoint.

    -New-
    I posted this before reading all the comments so I didn't think about ISPs that don't provide email services. Yes, some accommodation should be made for those individuals but maybe contact verification should be made before allowing them on the forums.

     
    GCyr, Jun 3, 2004
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  3. GCyr

    GCyr New Member

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    Admins,

    Since Chris and all its aliases aren't real people, can we call them names and bash them...[}:)]
     
    GCyr, Jun 3, 2004
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  4. brim

    brim Member

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    What about those of us that run our own mail servers and have our own domains?
     
    brim, Jun 3, 2004
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  5. msflynn

    msflynn New Member

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    these changes will not affect persons that already have an account only those that will be signing up for a new account. I think that there has to be some way that everyone who wants to can sign up using there current email it is just a matter of the board figuring out how to do that while still keeping issues like this form occuring again

    Staci Kapinos
     
    msflynn, Jun 3, 2004
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  6. Mearen

    Mearen New Member

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    Exactly how was it determined to be the same person and not just the same IP address?
     
    Mearen, Jun 4, 2004
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  7. brim

    brim Member

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    That's what I was wondering...
     
    brim, Jun 4, 2004
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  8. Forum Administrator

    Forum Administrator Member Forum Staff

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    The system records not only the ip address, but also a time/date stamp. These users were posting from the same home and work IP addresses at times within minutes of eachother. Once we ran a few reports and saw the pattern it was very clear what was going on. Also as those on Adelphia know, we've had several outages in the last couple months and a lot of ips changed. The same users ip addresses all changed and all posted from the new ip in the same timeframe. We confirmed it even more after that in other ways.

    This is the second time this has happened to date. To answer a previous question about killer_bee - no, that user was not associated with Chris at all. And a previous questins about posts, we do not want to remove user posts.
     
    Forum Administrator, Jun 4, 2004
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  9. Mearen

    Mearen New Member

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    That's conjecture not proof.
     
    Mearen, Jun 4, 2004
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  10. Pats_fan

    Pats_fan Former Resident

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    What is "proof?" This is not a court of law; it is a community bulletin board funded with my HOA funds. I would not hold the HOA/Admins to a legal standard on this matter.

    Even if evidence uncovered by the Admins/HOA does not conclusively prove that the 4 Members were all the same user, it does place all of the Members at the same location at about the same time. And since there were duplicate posts from the same home and work IP addresses, in order to assert that the aliases were different people you would also have to conclude that the aliases lived AND worked together. This is quite a stretch. What is Homer's theory called? Occam's razor? That would seem to apply here.

    And even if the 4 aliases were different people, they still conspired to lie about the existence of hate mail (a lie which denigrated the Broadlands community and led to a time consuming investigation by the Admins). The investigation found that no hate mail existed, and chris, MaryJo, and luvmyred all claimed to have seen it.

    Furthermore, if you look at the writing style of the 4 aliases, I think it is even more likely that all four of them are same person. (Can you imagine a household with 4 people who all think and talk like these Members did?)

    Again, hats off to the HOA/Admins!
     
    Pats_fan, Jun 4, 2004
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  11. greggbroadlands

    greggbroadlands New Member

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    Has the Admin contacted Chris / MaryJo / brian_staerker / luvmyredslk320 and asked what he/she/they are doing? I'd like to hear that explanation...
     
    greggbroadlands, Jun 4, 2004
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  12. Forum Administrator

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    Yes we have. The HOA has emailed each user and invited [them] to explain this and if we are indeed in error and can explain/prove this wrong we will of course apologize and reinstate any accounts needed. Unfortunately, one of the users 'luvmyredslk320's email account is no longer valid and bounced.
     
    Forum Administrator, Jun 4, 2004
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  13. SK8R

    SK8R On the Clover Meadow

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    This is really sad. Let's not make any rash judgements about people and issues. It is shameful when someone has to resort to dishonest behavior. It is wrong but it is also tragic, okay?
    So, lets just move on.
     
    SK8R, Jun 4, 2004
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  14. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    SK8R-
    How is someones dishonest behaviour "tragic"? It was obviously a well planned attempt to spew as much hate, discontent, and lies about the hospital as possible. The only "tragedy" is that she/he/it got away with it for as long as they did.
    Since "Chris" admittedly worked for a healthcare consulting firm, one could logically conclude that this individual had an agenda. Is this person or company on the payroll of LHC? I certainly hope not. Or maybe they simply dislike HCA. That is fine, but what they did to express it was dispicable.
    Cliff
     
    vacliff, Jun 4, 2004
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  15. Pats_fan

    Pats_fan Former Resident

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    I agree. I don't see this as tragic at all. IMO, in order to go to the extreme lengths to discredit HCA that this individual went to (MaryJo: "HCA is trying to kill my baby!"), I think they must have had some hidden agenda other than "NIMBY" for not wanting HCA to get a hospital in Broadlands.

    I think this person has harmed the anti-hospital movement. I hope that the anti-hospital people (Donna, Brooks5, coopstar, et al.) will now feel free to voice their opinions without being associated with this individual's hate. Constructive debate on this issue may now be possible -- I welcome it.

    This turn of events is not tragic. It is contemptible.
     
    Pats_fan, Jun 4, 2004
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  16. flynnibus

    flynnibus Well-Known Member Forum Staff

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    honestly people are making too much out of this. We've removed the cancer and lets move on. I still doubt the person even lives here. However we do know the person works for a healthcare consulting firm. Regardless, who cares.. you fix the problem and move on.

    And for all the people worried about 'being wrong', etc.. know what.. We all don't live on the other side of the country.. we all live within 5 miles of each other, and contact info for the HOA and Technical committee are all freely available. If someone was 'wronged' by all this, all they have to do is pick up the phone or walk down the street and prove otherwise.

    The facts of the matter are clear and the 'evidence' is more then enough (this whole thing took too long to start with). This isn't a legal case, its simply an abuse of the rules and intention of the forums. You abuse a privledge, you loose it. End of story.

    -Steve
     
    flynnibus, Jun 4, 2004
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  17. Mearen

    Mearen New Member

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    And wannabe politicians that openly use their elected position to further their own private views instead of the communities is different how?
     
    Mearen, Jun 5, 2004
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  18. Donna

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    Cliff, I don't think it's fair to automatically assume that because he/she/they were dishonest and had different views about HCA in Broadlands that they work for LHC. Maybe they are employeed by another healthcare company...oh I don't know, maybe one that defrauded the government and the taxpayers. Maybe they are trying to Drum up support in a way that is underhanded... you know like buying "wish list" items for our neighborhood committees when they aren't even part of our community...I don't know makes you wonder...
     
    Donna, Jun 5, 2004
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  19. vacliff

    vacliff "You shouldn't say that."

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    Mearen-
    I have no interest in ANY political career. I have every right to post my personal views about issues the same as you do. As an HOA Board member, I can not express the views of the Board unless it is a view that is supported by the majority of the Board.
    I also do not knowingly break the rules and continually LIE. But you, as a Chris supporter, probably cannot tell the difference.
    Donna-
    I do not assume this person is connected with LHC. As I said, I would certainly hope they are not. HCA is a commecial member of the community, whether one likes it or not.
    Are you enjoying those HCA made Broadlands towels? I guess in accepting them, you're accepting HCA as a member of the community!?!
     
    vacliff, Jun 6, 2004
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  20. Zansu

    Zansu New Member

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    WHat HCA broadlands towels? Are we still accepting bribes from this group? Why? They are not a member of this community until the BOS approves their petition, which they have not.
     
    Zansu, Jun 6, 2004
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